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#1366 RE: [Discussion] NVMe BIOS Modules and NVMe Support by 100PIER 28.01.2017 16:59

@M19,
I think your BIOS ASUS flashback operation was not successful, and it seems for me you always the previous BIOS.
By experience ASUS Flashback operation to be successul needs severe restrictions about the USB key you use:
USB2 key, never USB3, USB size < 8GB, Fresh formatted FAT32, MBR structure is mandatory, only ONE partition on it (check with Rufus v2.12 or MiniTool Partition wizzard or AOMEI Partition wizzard), only the BIOS file on the key, BIOS file name specific to your motherboard.
How long does take your flashback operation ?

#1367 RE: [Discussion] NVMe BIOS Modules and NVMe Support by Paulos7 29.01.2017 03:11

@100PIER
If you haven't repaired or altered your failed array yet, try these links for a way to (possibly) easily restore them.

http://www.overclock.net/t/478557/howto-...mber-disk-error
http://blog.quindorian.org/2013/07/repai...-reported.html/

The free software used to restore RAID arrays is called TestDisk. I found this thread last week while looking for a way to get my new 960 EVO with kryoM.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 adapter to boot Win7. I first tried the modded BIOS that ASRock sent me, but when I rebooted I discovered that one of my VelociRaptors dropped out of my RAID0 storage array. Unfortunately, I had not fully backed up all the data on the array for a while and could not afford to lose some of it. I followed the steps mentioned at the links above and was able to restore my array with no data loss. It took me a while to recover some data before actually committing to the final step (writing to the missing parameters to the array), but it worked great. I even gladly sent the author of the software the 25 euro donation he asked for.

I learned something new in the end. Never leave your RAID array(s) connected when flashing the BIOS. I hope this helps.

#1368 RE: [Discussion] NVMe BIOS Modules and NVMe Support by ProvitSponge 29.01.2017 22:46

Hi there,

I tried to boot windows 10 on a samsung
sm961. But didnt suceed.

My board is an msi z77 gd65.
I modded the bios with the first modul in post #1 and
also tried the alternative with newer nvme modul.

The bios flash was succesfull,
but when i choose the disk in win10
It says something like: can't install partition on this drive

Is the sm961 not supported in these modules?
Or happend a mistake while flashing?
How can i check, if the nvme modul/drivers are correct installed in the UEFI?

#1369 RE: [Discussion] NVMe BIOS Modules and NVMe Support by 100PIER 29.01.2017 23:44

@Fernando

In ref. to my Post #1353, I confirm definitively there is no need to mod ASUS Sabertooth X99 BIOS to get a success W10 boot off any Samsung 960 NVMe SSD family (960 PRO, 960 EVO).
Here is the Anvil score for 960 EVO 500 GB.

#1370 RE: [Discussion] NVMe BIOS Modules and NVMe Support by 100PIER 30.01.2017 00:16

@Fernando, @Paulos7
After done BIOS flashback operation tests on two of my ASUS PCs configured with RAID0, I systematically got my RAID0 storage array failed when rebooting.
One member is lost.
Is it a RAID OROM bug ?

#1371 RE: [Discussion] NVMe BIOS Modules and NVMe Support by Paulos7 30.01.2017 05:36

@100PIER
I have personally never experienced this until last week, but after reading this thread on overclock.net it appears it is not an uncommon occurance. I flashed a modded BIOS today completely forgetting about what happened last week - when one drive dropped out of the array - but I was fortunate it didn't happen again.

At least I now know how to repair the array, but you have to know the exact way you set up the array in the RAID OROM. I have two 850 Pro's in RAID0 and four VelociRaptor 600GB in RAID0 and the BIOS flash (which changes the controller from RAID to AHCI) caused the first drive in the 2nd array (with the VelociRaptors) to drop out (Non-Member Disk).

#1372 RE: [Discussion] NVMe BIOS Modules and NVMe Support by M19 30.01.2017 09:36

Zitat von 100PIER im Beitrag #1366
@M19,
I think your BIOS ASUS flashback operation was not successful, and it seems for me you always the previous BIOS.
By experience ASUS Flashback operation to be successul needs severe restrictions about the USB key you use:
USB2 key, never USB3, USB size < 8GB, Fresh formatted FAT32, MBR structure is mandatory, only ONE partition on it (check with Rufus v2.12 or MiniTool Partition wizzard or AOMEI Partition wizzard), only the BIOS file on the key, BIOS file name specific to your motherboard.
How long does take your flashback operation ?



@100PIER
I used two differents USB 2.0 sticks (more than less as 8 GB) which I use often for BIOS updates but also for updates of SAT and HIFI components.
Also there was just the file on it, which I made with the ASUS rename programm.
It took around 1-2 minutes I would say.

@Fernando
Yes I followed the guide and still can´t see it in WIN10.
Would WIN10 need a special driver?

Here are my components:

ASUS P8Z77-M PRO
https://www.asus.com/de/Motherboards/P8Z...pDesk_Download/

PCIe -> M.2 Converter
https://www.conrad.de/de/schnittstellen-...ff-1420903.html

SSD
ADAT IM2S3138E-128GM-B SSD (could not find a link for this one, but it was installed in a new HP Laptop)

#1373 RE: [Discussion] NVMe BIOS Modules and NVMe Support by Fernando 30.01.2017 11:43

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@Paulos7:
Welcome at Win-RAID Forum and thanks for your tips how to prevent resp. how to repair a degraded RAID0 array while flashing a BIOS.

@ProvitSponge:
Welcome at Win-RAID Forum!

Zitat von ProvitSponge im Beitrag #1368
The bios flash was succesfull, but when i choose the disk in win10 It says something like: can't install partition on this drive
Onto which partition of which disk drive with how much available space volume did you try to get the OS installed? If this message concerns the Samsung SM961, it verifies, that this SSD has been detected by the Win10 Setup.

Zitat
Is the sm961 not supported in these modules?

Although I haven't yet tested it myself (I am still waitung for a Samsung 960 EVO), the lested NvmExpressDxE should support all Samsung 96x NVMe SSDs.

Zitat
How can i check, if the nvme modul/drivers are correct installed in the UEFI?

We can have a look into the modded BIOS, if you attach it as ZIP or RAR archive. More difficult is it to verify, whether the modded BIOS has been successfully flashed or not. A possible method is to update the Intel RAID ROM of the modded BIOS, to flash it, to set the Intel RAID Controller within the BIOS temporarily to "RAID", to hit CTRL+I while rebooting and to check the version of the Intel RAID Utility (if the updated Intel RAID ROM version is shown, the flashing procedure has been successful and you can redo your previous BIOS setting incl. the SATA mode of the Intel SATA Controller).

Regards
Dieter (alias Fernando)

@100PIER:

Zitat von 100PIER im Beitrag #1370
Is it a RAID OROM bug ?
I don't think so.

@M19:
Zitat von M19 im Beitrag #1372
Would WIN10 need a special driver?
Since Win10 has a generic NVMe driver in the box, it normally doesn't need a special driver for the detection and the management of an NVMe SSD.
So the answer depends on the model of your NVMe SSD resp. its NVMe Controller.

Zitat von M19
Here are my components:
SSD: ADAT IM2S3138E-128GM-B SSD

This ADATA SSD is a SATA and not an NVMe one.

#1374 RE: [Discussion] NVMe BIOS Modules and NVMe Support by 100PIER 30.01.2017 12:49

@M19
I use on one on my PC a M.2 SATA AHCI Samsung 951 PCIe device plugged into a PCIe slot via an add in card (detailed in my signature).
Absolutly no need to mod the BIOS because AHCI is not NVMe.
EDIT by Fernando: This is not correct. The Samsung SM951 AHCI needs a special BIOS file named "Samsung_M2_DXE". Otherwise it is impossible to boot off it in UEFI mode.

Adding a NVMe module into an 'old' BIOS is only necessary for NVMe device to be bootable !
For my SM951 AHCI the in the box MS AHCI is automatically used:

#1375 RE: [Discussion] NVMe BIOS Modules and NVMe Support by M19 30.01.2017 14:03

@Fernando
According to my information my Laptop has a M.2 NVME support. Bought a 250GB Samsung EVO 960 for it to replace the ADATA.

If the ADATA M.2 SSD is just an SATA device it should already work without a modded BIOS in the PCIe Adapter from Conrad I mentioned above. Correct?

#1376 RE: [Discussion] NVMe BIOS Modules and NVMe Support by Fernando 30.01.2017 14:10

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@M19:
I have to correct myself: Since the ADATA SSD uses the M.2/PCIe and not a SATA interface, it will need a suitable M.2 BIOS module, if you want to boot off it.

#1377 RE: [Discussion] NVMe BIOS Modules and NVMe Support by M19 30.01.2017 14:34

But what would be the problem then as I can't see the card in my Desktop PC with this PCIe Adapter? :-(

#1378 RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for Intel Chipset systems from 6-Series up by Mixa 30.01.2017 14:36

Good afternoon!

I decided to register on the forum and write here, maybe my experience will come in handy.

First - thank you to all, and especially Fernando for instructions.

So, I have a motherboard ASUS P8C WS and Samsung SM951 OEM HP version AHCI. The module is installed in the second slot PCI-E v.3.0 x16 through an inexpensive adapter NVMe-PCI-Ex4 from Aliexpress

Just want to say to the 100PIER post - nothing works without the integration of the module in the BIOS, nothing. SM951 AHCI is not seen as a boot device from the UEFI.

My path was thorny, because in the beginning I did not have any idea about such modifications. :)
At first I was trying to integrate the first type of module NvmeExpressDxE from the first post of this topic. Nothing worked.
Then Fernando posted the second type of module. With this, too, it did not work.
Already in despair, accidentally I stumbled upon this theme here
[Guide] How to get M.2/PCIe connected Samsung AHCI SSDs bootable?
I decided to try to integrate SAMSUNG_M2_DXE.ffs module.
And it worked!

#1379 RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for Intel Chipset systems from 6-Series up by ProvitSponge 30.01.2017 15:29

Hi Fernando!

I installed it on the SM961 256 gb. All other drivers were plugged off. Diskpart tells me, that there is just one partition with gpt on it (NTFS).
Windows 10 sees the disk, but it wont install.

Earlier i tried to installed it without the mod. It installed it without problems until the first reboot. --> "system is damaged" A boot was not possible.
Here, all other disk were plugged in. I guess the Windows Boot Manager was placed somewhere on the other HDDs.

If you are interested, i can send you the two BIOS roms, i created.

But now, for me it´s not necessary anymore, cause today i will send back the SM961 to the seller.
If i wait longer (14 days), i won´t get my money back.

I decided to use a SATA SDD (Samsung 750 ) instead. No stress, just plugin :)

#1380 RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for Intel Chipset systems from 6-Series up by Fernando 30.01.2017 16:28

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@Mixa:
Welcome at Win-RAID Forum!
It is fine, that you finally succeeded while trying to use your new Samsung SM951 (AHCI model) as bootable system drive.
What I do not really understand is, why you tried to follow the guide of this thread, although the thread title says it as clear as possible, that it is only valid for NVMe SSDs.

Zitat von Mixa im Beitrag #1378
Just want to say to the 100PIER post - nothing works without the integration of the module in the BIOS, nothing.
You are absolutely right. Without the "Samsung_M2_DXE" BIOS module you are not able to boot off the SM951 AHCI in UEFI mode. Meanwhile I have corrected 100PIER's statement regarding the necessity of a special BIOS module to get a Samsung SM951 AHCI bootable.

Regards
Dieter (alias Fernando)

@ProvitSponge:
Are you sure regarding the "Secure Boot" settings within your mainboard BIOS?
It seems to me, that you forgot to disable this option. With enabled "Secure Boot" setting it is impossible to boot off an NVMe SSD.

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