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#16 RE: AMD Ryzen Motherboard Crossflashing Thread (ASUS, ASRock etc) by Lost_N_BIOS 08.08.2020 05:25

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@Jurgenm - Yes, but second image also shows what I said, current CPU Speed = 3.1GHz, so it's fluctuating still, so something is allowing core speed changes still.
C6 is located here >> Advanced >> CPU Configuration >> C6 - If you can't see it, then I would need to unhide it for you, it's enabled by default. Can you see Advanced >> CPU Config.
It may also be at CBS Menu, I see Global C-state controls there too (disable all), custom P-States (Throttling) is also there and set to Auto for default

I really don't know enough/anything about AMD overclocking/CPU's, so you really need to read a few AMD overclock guides that directly relate to your CPU type/family, to know what you need to set to what in order for speeds to work properly and not fluctuate on you.
C6 Info I found -

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Depending on the CPU / APU model, the highest boosted frequency PState usually has a C6-state requirement.
For example on FX-8370 which has 4.0GHz (P0, base), 4.1GHz (Pb1, boost) and 4.3GHz (Pb0, boost) states, the C6-state requirement is set to four. This means that the highest PState (4.3GHz, Pb0) will not activate unless half of the cores are currently in C6 active state.

If you disable C6-state this condition can obviously never be met, and the highest boosted state will never activate.
In this case the CPU will operate at the highest frequency PState which doesn´t have the C6-state requirement (4.1GHz Pb1).

Likewise if you disable APM(Master) feature from the bios, it will essentially disable Turbo.
Killing APM will kill the power management and after that the CPU no longer knows how much power it consumes.

Requirements for Turbo (CPB):

- CPB Enabled
- C6 Enabled
- APM Enabled

Failing to meet any of those will render Turbo either partially or complete useless.


https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-amd-c...te-exactly.html

See also info/discussion here
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7v...re_performance/

Maybe @chinobino can give you som advice when he has time (for board/BIOS Asrock A320M-HDV + Ryzen 3 1200)

@LosSantosPro - Does he need C6 disabled to OC on AMD? If yes, I will have to make him BIOS where this is visible.
None of those BIOS are beta/red, however, many say >> *ASRock do NOT recommend updating this BIOS if Pinnacle, Raven, Summit or Bristol Ridge CPU (And his CPU = Summit Ridge)
Looks like P5.90 is latest for his CPU without that warning, so it may be this causing the issue

#17 RE: AMD Ryzen Motherboard Crossflashing Thread (ASUS, ASRock etc) by Jurgenm 08.08.2020 22:09

Ok so i checked 5.90 with AMIBCP and that version won't show me CPU Oc in the oc tweaker. So even being the latest version without warning it won't work for me.

Also the c6 setting i searched for it and could not find anything. Some "captures" of the bios settings as i have them right now if it may help:





The c6 not found, c states disabled and pstates on auto, with the oc applied in bios, still wont pass 3.1GHz on windows.

I also tried ubuntu in usb and check speed in the terminal and it shows 3.1GHz so its not windows the problem, but a bios/motherboard one.

No clue what to do. I've seen videos of people overclocking this r3 easily but in b350 motherboards upwards...

#18 RE: AMD Ryzen Motherboard Crossflashing Thread (ASUS, ASRock etc) by Lost_N_BIOS 08.08.2020 23:15

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@Jurgenm - So that's easy to fix, I can edit 5.90 for you to enable OC section, and to swap which CPU config sections you see or make cool'n'Quiet and C6 visible.
Show me image of Root of Advanced, and please put this image into max compressed zip. It would also be great if you resized the image, 1000px wide and 100-200KB Jpeg/PNG would be great, I only need to see the images for a second so 5MB image not required here
Yes, maybe B350+ is required to OC, not sure, but looks like it may not be true due to your images sometimes showed 3.8 was used. You can run the sensor logger in HWInFO64, do benchmark and then see if min/max of CPU speed goes to 3.8 ever in there or not.

#19 RE: AMD Ryzen Motherboard Crossflashing Thread (ASUS, ASRock etc) by Jurgenm 09.08.2020 01:45

Here is the image of the root of advanced as requested and compressed xD, and an oc tweaker image





Here is also a screenshot from hwinfo while running cinebench and hwinfo sensors also while running cinebench





Would be needing only the 5.90 bios modded, then i'll downgrade and see if it works. If that doesn't work then i guess it is just some hardware lock.

#20 RE: AMD Ryzen Motherboard Crossflashing Thread (ASUS, ASRock etc) by Lost_N_BIOS 09.08.2020 05:29

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@Jurgenm- Do that HWINFO64 sensor thing (Bottom image), however you had it set before where in some places you saw 3.8Ghz
I thought you said you could not see OC Tweaker page? Ohh, just some things missing, I gotcha now. Please scroll up/down and show me all contents you see inside OC Tweaker
In your OC Tweaker image above, I can see CPU freq change, what do you mean it doesn't let you OC CPU in there?

Disable XMP for now, to rule out that doing anything to the CPU OC. Yes, I planned to do the edits on 5.90, since that is the highest BIOS that appears to be for your CPU

#21 RE: AMD Ryzen Motherboard Crossflashing Thread (ASUS, ASRock etc) by Jurgenm 09.08.2020 21:25

I disabled XMP and tested OC and it won't help. Ram went from 3000mhz to 2133mhz and cpu won't work over 3100MHz.

The issue is that windows and some programs such as HWInfo shows BASE speed as 3.8GHz. BUT in reality the cpu won't get over 3.1GHz.

I can see cpu voltage and frequency setting only in crossflashed 6.10 and in stock 1.50.

All the content of oc tweaker is shown in the image, except for some profile slots.

I can do the oc, but it won't work properly as it sets base speed to 3800MHz but cpu won't get over 3100MHz while benchmarked.

#22 RE: AMD Ryzen Motherboard Crossflashing Thread (ASUS, ASRock etc) by Lost_N_BIOS 11.08.2020 05:30

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@Jurgenm - I can make whatever visible in 5.90 as we discussed, this is the BIOS that is compatible with your CPU. 1.50 is broken BIOS I assume, or you (like me) are maybe not familiar with how AMD overclocking works?
I suggest you stick with 5.90 as it's the latest one that is compatible with your CPU. However, I see what you mean now, there is no CPU "CPU Frequency and Voltage(VID) Change" in 5.90 like in 6.10
But, in 5.90 I can at least make C6, and Cool'N'Quiet visible for you. Maybe that will help? Also, now that I mention the above ^^, how are you testing 3.8 OC in 5.90 if you can't change CPU speed via this missing setting????

What BIOS are images in #19 from, and images in #17? Please show me root of advanced, CPU config inner contents, and OC tweaker in full (top to bottom), using BIOS 5.90

#23 RE: AMD Ryzen Motherboard Crossflashing Thread (ASUS, ASRock etc) by Jurgenm 11.08.2020 21:01

I'm testing 3.8 OC because i am sitting at 6.10 crossflashed, and it shows me cpu frequency and voltage. I've never said that i'm at 5.90 bios version. All the images are from bios 6.10.

So i have to downgrade to 5.90 and send images of the bios interface?

Is it possible for you to mod it and enable cpu frequency and voltage so i don't have to flash it twice? (To downgrade to crossflashed 5.90 and then crossflashed modded 5.90)

If you can mod 5.90 and send me the bios file so i can flash just once, i would really appreciate it. But i also have no trouble if you ask me to downgrade first so you can see the bios interface.

#24 RE: AMD Ryzen Motherboard Crossflashing Thread (ASUS, ASRock etc) by Winland 22.11.2020 19:08

I have a possibility to get Asrock b350 gaming K4 board for very cheap, only problem is that the bios is corrupted. I checked online and apparently b450 gaming k4 is pretty much the same board on the important parts (VRM etc) with just some different ports and a pump header. Any idea if flashing b450 bios into it with a clip has any chance of working? Would also be interesting as the b450 series is already getting zen3 bioses.

#25 RE: AMD Ryzen Motherboard Crossflashing Thread (ASUS, ASRock etc) by smp 23.11.2020 18:15

I saw a post where a guy flashed a B350 mobo with B450 bios and it worked.

Edit: Here's that post

#26 RE: AMD Ryzen Motherboard Crossflashing Thread (ASUS, ASRock etc) by chinobino 24.11.2020 02:30

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Zitat von Lost_N_BIOS im Beitrag #16
Maybe @chinobino can give you som advice when he has time (for board/BIOS Asrock A320M-HDV + Ryzen 3 1200)
I suspect that MSI and Gigabyte may be using B350 chipsets for some of their A320 motherboards.

These A320 motherboards support overclocking;

MSI A320M PRO-VH PLUS (2nd link)
MSI A320M-VD PLUS
MSI A320M PRO-VHL
MSI A320M-A PRO MAX
MSI A320M PRO-VD/S V2
MSI A320M PRO-M2 V2

Gigabyte A320M-S2H V2 (Rev 1.1)
Gigabyte A320M-H

No ASRock A320 motherboards support overclocking AFAIK.

Also note that there are two version of the Ryzen 3 1200 and as they are different process nodes they have different microcodes;

Ryzen 3 1200 14nm Summit Ridge = B1 stepping = CPUID 00800F11

Ryzen 3 1200 12nm Pinnacle Ridge = B2 stepping = CPUID 00800F82

#27 RE: AMD Ryzen Motherboard Crossflashing Thread (ASUS, ASRock etc) by smp 24.11.2020 06:33

Zitat von chinobino im Beitrag #26

MSI A320M PRO-VH PLUS

I have MSI A320M PRO-VH PLUS with Ryzen 5 3600 and it does not overclock. The options are there but they do nothing. PPT is also limited to 88W.

#28 RE: AMD Ryzen Motherboard Crossflashing Thread (ASUS, ASRock etc) by chinobino 24.11.2020 13:51

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Zitat von smp im Beitrag #27
I have MSI A320M PRO-VH PLUS with Ryzen 5 3600 and it does not overclock. The options are there but they do nothing. PPT is also limited to 88W.
Interesting, that is a 6 core CPU with SMT which pulls a lot more current than a quadcore - I don't think the VRM on that board can handle it.

Have you checked your VRM temps?

What is your max turbo on all cores? Does it even reach 4.2 GHz?

#29 RE: AMD Ryzen Motherboard Crossflashing Thread (ASUS, ASRock etc) by smp 24.11.2020 16:26

Yes, I checked the VRM area with an IR thermometer. The hottest points are the chokes - they are only around 60C when running Prime95 small FFTs on all cores.
Max turbo in Prime95 is 3600, in Cinebench 3700 (because PPT hits the 88w limit under those loads). It can boost up to 4200 in games.
There is an option in bios to set the PPT manually but if I set it higher than 88w it does not change the actual wattage. It only works if I set it lower than 88w.

I consider trying to get it crossflashed with a B450 bios to work around that 88w PPT limit. A bios from MSI B450M-PRO-VDH-PLUS seem like a good candidate for that.

#30 RE: AMD Ryzen Motherboard Crossflashing Thread (ASUS, ASRock etc) by Winland 25.11.2020 21:11

Ty for that! Well, the board is purchased and the ch341a & soic8 are ordered so soon i'll get to testing. If b450 bios is a flop and something important doesnt work ill just have to flash it back to b350, my current mobo will have to go anyways as the LLC limiting daily OC's.

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