#1 Legacy PCI sound cards on Modern Motherboards by XPLives 02.10.2019 06:57

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This is some recent experimentation the last few days using legacy PCI cards on modern motherboards.


I was testing out most of my PCI sound cards I could find on my Z370.

FAILED
I tried using the PCI to PCIe riser adapter and it works to detect the card and let you install the drivers successfully. But everything shows it is installed correctly and working but no audio output comes from the card.

FAILED
I tried using the PCIe x1 card to USB 3.0 cable to Dual PCI Slot adapter.
The card is detected in Device Manager. As soon you install the drivers and as it is about to finish it freezes the computer system. You have to shutdown manually and reboot. After rebooting the drive has to repair itself the damaged files and so the end result is no you can't finish the driver installation so the device cannot work. I also noticed that it makes some other devices in the Device Manager into an exclamation mark so avoid this adapter.

SUCCESS
I tried using the physical PCI Slot. Does not trigger the motherboard to power on accidentally.
I got the Ensoniq PCI to work for audio.

FAILED
I tried some other Yamaha and Aureal Vortex cards and it doesn't see the card in Device Manager. One major issue to warn about is when sliding the card into the slot it powered on my motherboard. This is not good but luckily none of these cards fried itself.

FAILED
I tried an Asus Xonar DG. The card is detected in device manager but as soon as the driver installs it crashes.
BSOD C2
Bad_Pool_Caller
cmudaxp.sys
STOP 0X00000019

DANGER
I tried a Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS and the motherboard powered on as the card was being inserted. Then I started seeing smoke and I shut off the computer using the power supply. I looked at the sound card connector and the metal traces on the bottom of the card were burnt black. The card was totaled and after even removing the damaged traces it would not recognize the card and the computer would not POST.

SAFETY
Since some high end audio PCI sound cards are probably very expensive I recommend you turn off the power supply using the switch and then hit the power on button to drain of any residual power. Then you can insert the PCI sound card into the slot. But be warned I don't know whether the PCI card fried because the power was on when inserting the card at the same time maybe causing a short or there is some incompatibility in voltages that exists with some PCI sounds cards on modern motherboards. So be careful and do a full power supply power off using the switch and hit the power button a few times to power drain it before installing your PCI sound card and make sure it is fully inserted into the slot before turning the power supply switch back on. Hopefully it will work and won't fry the card. On my Ivy Bridge I never had this problem of a fried card or it powering on when inserted into the slot.

SOLUTION
This is why a better alternative is going to be either PCIe or USB based for your sound device on modern motherboards. I'm sure there's one that can handle XLR inputs for audiophiles that need it.

Good luck.

#2 RE: Legacy PCI sound cards on Modern Motherboards by infuscomus 06.10.2019 02:36

@XPLives

I've had success with this - http://eshop.sintech.cn/pcie-express-x1-...le-w-p-933.html

I install a YMF744 PCI sound card and VIA USB 2.0 card in it with success.

#3 RE: Legacy PCI sound cards on Modern Motherboards by Pacman 06.10.2019 03:15

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I can say that I am using a Startech PCI Express to PCI adapter to be able to use my RME HDSP 9652 PCI soundcard with my Z390 board,
and it works perfectly, super low latency and zero stability issues for months :)
But, I had to customize the chassi to be able to safely secure the full height PCI card in the adapter.

#4 RE: Legacy PCI sound cards on Modern Motherboards by XPLives 10.10.2019 17:19

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@infuscomus
Damnation can you find the chipset used on that adapter?

#5 RE: Legacy PCI sound cards on Modern Motherboards by XPLives 10.10.2019 17:27

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@Pacman
......

Zitat von Pacman im Beitrag #3
I can say that I am using a Startech PCI Express to PCI adapter to be able to use my RME HDSP 9652 PCI soundcard with my Z390 board,
and it works perfectly, super low latency and zero stability issues for months :)
But, I had to customize the chassi to be able to safely secure the full height PCI card in the adapter.




What is the chipset on that adapter?

I found a weblink that says.
https://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapters/...r-Card~PEX1PCI1

Chipset ID:
Pericom - PI7C9X118SL

Can you confirm on yours?

Mine is showing Asmedia ASM1083. Possibly yours is different and higher compatibility due to higher cost.

#6 RE: Legacy PCI sound cards on Modern Motherboards by infuscomus 13.10.2019 11:09

@XPLives

PCI\VEN_104C&DEV_8240
It's a XIO2001 Texas Instruments PCI Express-to-PCI Bridge

#7 RE: Legacy PCI sound cards on Modern Motherboards by Pacman 15.10.2019 16:59

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Zitat von XPLives im Beitrag #5

What is the chipset on that adapter?

I found a weblink that says.
https://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapters/...r-Card~PEX1PCI1

Chipset ID:
Pericom - PI7C9X118SL

Can you confirm on yours?

Mine is showing Asmedia ASM1083. Possibly yours is different and higher compatibility due to higher cost.




Sorry for the delay, yes it is pericom chipset.
PCI\VEN_12D8&DEV_E113
I don't know about higher cost though, this one was very cheap, 279 SEK.
But like I said works perfectly :)

#8 RE: Legacy PCI sound cards on Modern Motherboards by XPLives 21.10.2019 04:44

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@Pacman
Which OS are you using this adapter on without issues?

#9 RE: Legacy PCI sound cards on Modern Motherboards by infuscomus 21.10.2019 04:53

@XPLives

the USB 2.0 card
worked in win98, winXP and win10

YMF744
worked in win98, winXP, ISA emulation did not work in DOS, no driver for win10 64bit, did not try win10 32bit

ESS Solo1
worked in win98, winXP, infinite loop on driver load in DOS, BSOD win10 even without driver being installed

#10 RE: Legacy PCI sound cards on Modern Motherboards by Pacman 22.10.2019 02:09

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@XPLives

Use it with win7 & 10 64bit, dualboot.

#11 RE: Legacy PCI sound cards on Modern Motherboards by celemine1gig 22.10.2019 08:27

Quick tip, that might help in some cases:
Due to being forced to use PCIe to PCI bridges, the BIOS settings "Native PCIe" and/or "Native ASPM" can be problematic.
As far as I know, the setting makes the bridge "transparent" for the system. System will only look at capabilities for the root port and the end device.
However, if the bridge itself has some limitations (e.g. no or only partial ASPM support), this can lead to problems.

Disabling those settings might help make devices work behind PCIe bridges.

#12 RE: Legacy PCI sound cards on Modern Motherboards by XPLives 03.11.2019 08:36

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I'll have to locate the adapters again and run them in MPS Multiprocessor Mode. I think the modded ACPI.sys might be the reason why it is not functioning. I'll update later when I locate the adapters for a retest.

#13 RE: Legacy PCI sound cards on Modern Motherboards by Esposito 15.01.2021 09:22

Just would like to report: the pictured ASM 1083 chipset adapter in my Asus P9X79 Pro motherboard was unfortunately not working reliably with my RME HDSP PCI card (Rev 1.3) + Multiface 1 under Windows 7... Unpredictable operation, sometimes booted sometimes not. Might work with different motherboards or with later revisions of the HDSP PCI card - but my combination was definitely not lucky.

#14 RE: Legacy PCI sound cards on Modern Motherboards by XPLives 08.02.2021 10:23

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@Pacman

Zitat von Pacman im Beitrag #10
@XPLives
Use it with win7 & 10 64bit, dualboot.
Forgot to ask, what is the Brand and Model of the motherboard that you used your PCI -> PCIe adapter on with the sound card working on those operating systems?

#15 RE: Legacy PCI sound cards on Modern Motherboards by Pacman 08.02.2021 13:15

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Zitat von XPLives im Beitrag #14
@Pacman
Zitat von Pacman im Beitrag #10
@XPLives
Use it with win7 & 10 64bit, dualboot.
Forgot to ask, what is the Brand and Model of the motherboard that you used your PCI -> PCIe adapter on with the sound card working on those operating systems?

If i remember right, the first MB with this audio setup was a Asrock Z270 Taichi, then i have also used it on a Asrock Z390 Taichi and now Asrock Z490 Pro4.
I tried it on a MSI Z490 gaming plus, but i had problems with crashing that MIGHT have been audio related.

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