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#16 RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-is by Lost_N_BIOS 17.09.2019 10:44

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Flash back in last previous BIOS I sent you (ie Post #10) >> FPTw.exe -rewrite -f lastbiosIsent.bin
Then >> FPTw.exe -greset
Then load optimized, reboot, settings you need, windows.

And then wait. We need to have plutomaniac's input about this ME Disabled thing, since ME isn't and shouldn't be disabled in the first place, so there is some issue I don't see and it carried over when I updated the ME FW too (So that was no help)

Plutomaniac - Can you please check my question at post #14 when time permits, BIOS being used and in question there is at post #10
I tried to update ME FW to resolve the issue, it seems from above post that it carried over anyway, so asked him to flash back to BIOS in post #10

Thanks

#17 RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-is by Hyppo 17.09.2019 10:58

Did it, flashed bios from post 10 using FPTW and itís all ok and verbose is working again

#18 RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-is by plutomaniac 17.09.2019 13:49

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I'm on vacation, I can't check. Ignore that message if you can re-flash, not important.

#19 RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-is by Lost_N_BIOS 17.09.2019 14:00

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Plutomaniac - thanks! Yes, all is OK and system is working/flashable before and after issue, but seems I can't update his ME FW via the guide, and that message is there before/after/always, so there is some issue.
This was only reason to update ME, to try and get that message gone, seems like ME messed up somehow

When you get back in from vacation, let me know and I'll try to remind you to check this if you forget. In meantime, looks like we wait for now because I can't see the issue.

#20 RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-is by Hyppo 17.09.2019 14:37

@Lost_N_BIOS
So those bios from post 10 is fine?
It has unlocked advanced menu, enabled overclock setting, unlocked FD/FPRR and the only thing uncertain is the message about ME? Probably itís just a message and maybe I even donít need this ME at all
So I can proceed with final assembling of laptop and apply proper thermopaste, correct?

#21 RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-is by Lost_N_BIOS 17.09.2019 14:55

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Yes, for now that is OK. Your ME FW was like this from the get-go, I think something is wrong there, but it's OK to use as it is since you've been using it all along that way.
Once plutomaniac gets back and has time, I'm sure he will find the issue, he's the ME FW Guru! You want ME FW working properly, but it's OK for now.

Yes, you can put back together since long ago, once you FPT flashed after programming in BIOS from #10 I mentioned this too you, maybe a few times, but maybe I said wait just to be sure?
But yes, now I see for sure you can -rewrite the entire chip even with FPT, all is unlocked and you can do all corrections later via FPT in windows.

#22 RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-is by Hyppo 17.09.2019 22:36

Hi @Lost_N_BIOS can you please give me some hints how to deal with fan controls? No matter what I set I always have minimum 2000 rpm on cpu fan and 2500 rpm on gpu. Here is Thermal management menu

https://www.sendspace.com/file/ao8h43

I even set both trip points 0 and 1 to value zero but nothing can impact. I just always have these rpm on idle



What I need is to set both fans to 0 rpm or no more than 1000 rpm if temperatures below 50C

#23 RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-is by Lost_N_BIOS 18.09.2019 08:54

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This is possibly controlled by EC. In the BIOS, there is two areas with same/similar settings (Platform or DPTF), whichever is used, you may be able use the other instead and then it would work.
If this is not hard controlled by EC FW. Try DPTF and make your changes there to test, if no effect try Platform area instead
You could also enable "Passive Trip Points" in either area, and see what effect if any that has

Yes, this is EC Controlled, but may also be controlled by the BIOS settings as they may interact with the EC FW, unsure. Here's why I say this


Dump your EC FW chip and let me see contents, maybe I can tell where/how to adjust

#24 RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-is by Hyppo 18.09.2019 11:44

@Lost_N_BIOS This is what I was afraid of, that those EC chip is responsible for fan curves
And in bios I tried already to play with settings in Platform, DPTF, make passive etc but nothing worked

So those EC chip is Winbond 25Q80EWNIG

There are 2 fans in the system - CPU and GPU/system, max speed is around 5500-6000 rpm (100%) and in idle they keep CPU and system temperature at 34C and spinning at 1680 rpm (30%) CPU and 2160 rpm (40%) GPU/System
Is there anything in those EC similar to the relation temperature-speed to these numbers
CPU 34 (or smth below 40C) - 30
GPU/System 34-40% ?
Can you check please?

PS Since I have the dump, if I will just erase this EC chip and try to boot up, can I make the system to switch to control fans from bios? (just a crazy idea)

#25 RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-is by Lost_N_BIOS 18.09.2019 13:25

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Thanks, I will look, but EC FW there is no tools that I know of, so all I can do is blind search. Thank you for possible items/info to search for, that should help

You can't boot without EC usually, but maybe you will get lucky and it will boot, and then BIOS controls will work?! If it does boot, other stuff may not be working, so be ready for other issues.

NVIDIA LE4914 SKU 50 VGA BIOS Version 90.16.25.40.70 - 04/10/19 << This blob (vBIOS) in there twice = TU116M [GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Mobile]
That's all I see for now, no time to look deeper yet

Occurrences of 30% / 1E = 2510
40% / 2E = 2760

I'll cut out the 2 vBIOS later, and see what's left

#26 RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-is by Hyppo 18.09.2019 15:12

Zitat von Lost_N_BIOS im Beitrag #25


Occurrences of 30% / 1E = 2510
40% / 2E = 2760




Yes this is very similar to what is needed. However if 30% is 2510 rpm then 40% must be 3350
Can it be different fans (cpu/gpu)? Or maybe dependency on different sensors ..

Actually what I would do is just replace 30% with 20% in order to get proper fan speed on idle

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Update
@Lost_N_BIOS As discussed, please ignore previous dump and use this one
https://www.sendspace.com/file/2k24t8

#27 RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-is by Lost_N_BIOS 19.09.2019 09:14

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Ha, if only it was so easy! You misunderstood what I wrote there, I meant Occurrences of 30% / 1E = 2510 results/instances of 1E found (If it's even that easy to find), so I could never locate it that way
But, that was quick glance, search etc, I've not removed the vBIOS yet and see what's left, maybe better chance of spotting something then.

* Edit - yes, that new dump contains >> 4/10/19 - LE4914 SKU 30 VGA BIOS - Version 90.06.2F.00.CF >> 10DE 1F111 >> TU106M [GeForce RTX 2060 Mobile] x 2
Will cut and inspect. Can you dump vBIOS with GPU-z, if yes, is it Intel or NVIDIA one? Can you choose Nvidia from the dropout on the bottom, if yes, do that and then dump vBIOS if it will let you,


* Edit - I think this is just single vBIOS image, EFI and orom in there, I compared to a few older dumps from TPU and it looks nearly same.
So, I don't think this chip contains EC FW also, maybe another chip has it? Or it's in BIOS only.

#28 RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-is by Hyppo 19.09.2019 11:37

@Lost_N_BIOS Well there are only 2 chips on the motherboard in such form-factor soic-8
But of coz there are dozens of other chips to which I can't connect by programmer anyway
So you want to say that those EC to which bios refers in the message "Fan speed that EC will use if OS is hung" not necessarily this 25Q80EWNIG ? If so there is only one way to access it is via bios ..
In gpu-z I can choose between Intel and Nvidia, will make dumps of vBios today evening

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@Lost_N_BIOS I canít save bios from gpu-z coz it says ďBios reading is not supported on this deviceĒ
Is it a matter in general?

#29 RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-is by Lost_N_BIOS 20.09.2019 07:45

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OK, that can only mean EC FW is only in BIOS, or not used, or is on some other chip like WSON package instead of SOIC
BIOS EC message may be general/stock text that's left there in place from base BIOS stock, may or may not be used in this or all machines.

GPU-z, that's normal. Can you choose Intel and Nvidia on bottom dropout menu or only Intel? If you can choose both, do both give you that same message when selected?

#30 RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-is by Hyppo 20.09.2019 08:24

Zitat von Lost_N_BIOS im Beitrag #29
OK, that can only mean EC FW is only in BIOS, or not used, or is on some other chip like WSON package instead of SOIC
BIOS EC message may be general/stock text that's left there in place from base BIOS stock, may or may not be used in this or all machines.

GPU-z, that's normal. Can you choose Intel and Nvidia on bottom dropout menu or only Intel? If you can choose both, do both give you that same message when selected?

Yes I can choose Intel 630 or Nvidia 2060 and both gave those message when I try to save a vbios

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