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#1006 RE: Windows XP SP3 32bit and modern PC parts by diderius6 05.07.2019 10:35

@infuscomus
Nice finding, I will integrate in CD.
In few days I test new Ryzen >=3000 for XP:))
Dietmar

#1007 RE: Windows XP SP3 32bit and modern PC parts by diderius6 06.07.2019 22:25

The generic modded STORAHCI driver for XP SP3 for all AMD boards works also generic on
Intel AHCI
Dietmar

#1008 RE: Windows XP SP3 32bit and modern PC parts by diderius6 07.07.2019 23:52

I just ordered an Asus Prime x570 Pro board,
which has an COM1 port, important for windbg.
After I saw first benchmarks I also ordered a cpu
Ryzen 3700x
and then I test test test under XP SP3
Dietmar

#1009 RE: Windows XP SP3 32bit and modern PC parts by XPLives 08.07.2019 11:45

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@diderius6
Good CPU choice. I also think it's the best one from the 7nm launch.

But why a new x570 MB? X370 BIOS update supports 3700X. X570 only good for Ryzen 9 16 Core / 32 Threads in September.
https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-9-3950x

Better to use the money on that CPU instead of the 3700X if pairing with x570MB.

3700X no point on it since you also own the i9-9900K with same 8 Cores / 16 Threads.

#1010 RE: Windows XP SP3 32bit and modern PC parts by infuscomus 08.07.2019 12:01

@XPLives

He is testing if the newer X570 chipset and 3700X CPU is compatible with XP

B350 is already confirmed to work

the 300 series motherboards might have power delivery issues for the newer 3000 series CPUs - AMD left it up to the motherboard vendors to support it

#1011 RE: Windows XP SP3 32bit and modern PC parts by XPLives 09.07.2019 03:09

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@infuscomus
If the point is testing X570 compatibility then just get the X570 MB and test an older gen CPU on it like a Ryzen 7 1700 which is 8 cores also. If it works then buy the Ryzen 9 3950x for 16 Cores.
If you want to test 7nm compatibility then just buy a low end 7nm like a cheap quad core when it comes out.

I just examined the AsRock X370 board and found it supports these latest Ryzen 3000 CPUS:
AM4 Ryzen 7 3800X(100-000000025) 105W Matisse 3.9GHz 4MB B0 P5.80
AM4 Ryzen 9 3900X(100-000000023) 105W Matisse 3.8GHz 6MB B0 P5.80

Note the 3900X is Ryzen 9 3900X
US $499 12 Cores (24) Threads

So it looks like it can handle 12 Cores without needing X570. It's possible 16 Cores might work on a X370 MB when it releases in September with a BIOS update.

Also note some of the newer > X370 MBs may no longer have legacy PCI slots on them making it harder to run 98SE retro cards so going to the newest generation will make it much harder if an older gen chipset already has the PCI slots you want and can support the 7nm CPU you want to use. It was already tough to find any X370 with them and I'm sure X470 and X570 will be even rarer.

The only slight benefit for X570 is PCIe v4.0 which most graphics cards from XP era were probably PCIe 3.0 for the extreme models so it won't have any benefit for XP at all.

If you want a chipset worth upgrading to it's 8 Dimm slots and 16GB or 32GB DDR4 or 64GB/128GB DDR5 memory sticks to reach the 256GB-1TB max. Most motherboards are capped at 64GB with 4 memory slots so 8 Cores feels too constrictive already and I would rather have 256TB memory with 8 Cores than 64TB memory with 16 Cores.

#1012 RE: Windows XP SP3 32bit and modern PC parts by infuscomus 09.07.2019 05:05

@XPLives

PCI slots are still a possibility with enclosures

http://eshop.sintech.cn/pcie-express-x1-...le-w-p-933.html

#1013 RE: Windows XP SP3 32bit and modern PC parts by diderius6 09.07.2019 14:08

It is just a lie,
that Ryzen 1700 does not work on x570 motherboards.
Just in this moment I am installing XP SP3 on
Asus Prime x570 Pro
Dietmar

EDIT: It hangs with blinking cursor,
I cant see the harddisk. It seems to be a problem
of the STORAHCI driver.
It is not acpi related.
NVME boot also not works.

EDIT2: I connect the CD drive and the harddisk to different SATA slots,
first and last.
Now I can install XP !!!

EDIT3: Acpi multiprocessor works, network works, sound works, graphik works, but USB is a problem,
also no y-cable possible, only PS/2 mouse or keyboard.

EDIT4: Nice, on this board, the Ryzen 1700 (!) at 3741 MHZ with 71 degree Celsius max, is faster than the i7 8700k.

EDIT5: I just ordered USB card Silverstone SST-ECU05 and
I-TEC PCI-E Karte 4x USB 3.0 PCI-Express 2x external 2x internal ueber 1x 20 Pin Adapter internal USB 3.0 port Windows 7 Vista XP (PCE22U3)



#1014 RE: Windows XP SP3 32bit and modern PC parts by XPLives 09.07.2019 18:06

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Zitat von infuscomus im Beitrag #1012
@XPLives

PCI slots are still a possibility with enclosures

http://eshop.sintech.cn/pcie-express-x1-...le-w-p-933.html



I recommended that enclosure method on another site about 2 years ago when SkyLake already begun phasing out PCI slots on the AsRock Fatal1ty. Fortunately other brands like Gigabyte made a SkyLake MB with 2 PCI slots.

But when building a compact fanless all in one retro machine you want as little external adapters as possible. I think there was one that you could mount internally into a 5 1/4" front slot but you'd have to do internal wiring to a rear bracket for sound output.

Finding 2 PCI slots on a X570 or Z470 / Z570 Ice Lake / Tiger Lake will probably be slim to none would be my guess. Maybe one or two models may exist as a B570 in limited quantities.

I also have a PCIe to Dual PCI Slot adapter card (no enclosure) basically the same thing without paying a fortune for the external enclosure. I haven't had time to test that either to see if all PCI cards work properly in it via the PCIe slot but this is the cheapest solution.

#1015 RE: Windows XP SP3 32bit and modern PC parts by XPLives 09.07.2019 18:21

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Zitat von diderius6 im Beitrag #1013
It is just a lie,
that Ryzen 1700 does not work on x570 motherboards.
Just in this moment I am installing XP SP3 on
Asus Prime x570 Pro
Dietmar

EDIT: It hangs with blinking cursor,
I cant see the harddisk. It seems to be a problem
of the STORAHCI driver.
It is not acpi related.
NVME boot also not works.

EDIT2: I connect the CD drive and the harddisk to different SATA slots,
first and last.
Now I can install XP !!!

EDIT3: Acpi multiprocessor works, network works, sound works, graphik works, but USB is a problem,
also no y-cable possible, only PS/2 mouse or keyboard.

EDIT4: Nice, on this board, the Ryzen 1700 (!) at 3741 MHZ with 71 degree Celsius max, is faster than the i7 8700k.




Yeah I would find it strange if R7 1700 would not work. A newer one should maintain compatibility, but I hear the BIOS may run out of room soon for all the CPUs supported and I wonder if squeezing all future Ryzen 4000 CPU series will work on the X370.

Do you have any X570 MB with Asmedia 106X SATA controller to test?

Your method seems to only work with the nVME slot or is this on any AMD SATA controller too?

Which universal SATA driver are you using with the X570 and where is the link? I will try this on the regular AMD SATA controller for compatibility.

Also which ACPI.sys file are you using and I will see if X370 is compatible? The one modified by infuscomus for checksum for VM testing did not work on my X370 MB.


Try installing XP using F7 NO ACPI method on X570 and see if it boots to desktop or can only run in Safe Mode. I'm curious if it also hangs on your motherboard during first boot to desktop.

#1016 RE: Windows XP SP3 32bit and modern PC parts by cedar 09.07.2019 19:14

@diderius6

Good works on your Asus board.
I am having trouble to get the Lan network work.
I tried a couple of Realtek drivers by adding my hardware ID to it.

VEN_10EC&DEV_8168&SUBSYS_86771043&REV_15

It installed but with yellow exclamation mark. So it did not work.
Can I try your Asus Realtek Lan driver?.

Versions tried:
0001-Install_Win8_8.1_Win7_Vista_6112_03122014
0001-PCI_Install_XP_2K_5719_04062012
Gigabyte P75-D3 ,date 2011
Asus Prime-Plus B350 disc Lan driver.

Cedar

#1017 RE: Windows XP SP3 32bit and modern PC parts by cedar 09.07.2019 19:22

@infuscomus

I am having trouble with XP Realtek Lan driver.
Can I try your Asrock Realtek Lan driver too? May be
it will work on my board too.

As suggested earlier.
[files.acpi]
acpi.sys,4
acpiec.sys,4
oprghdlr.sys,4
storport.sys,4

I added storport.sys,4. But I got message "Storport has value 0 in
[SourceDisksFiles]..." Can not install. Press F3 to exit.

Cedar

#1018 RE: Windows XP SP3 32bit and modern PC parts by XPLives 09.07.2019 19:58

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Did you install and get that Realtek LAN working in Windows 7 or 10?

If so what is the name of the device listed in Device Manager?

Sometimes it will tell you Realtek 8168A,B,C,... the last letter at the end is important. If not shown there, you have to examine your motherboard with your eyeballs and see if you can find the Realtek Chip ID name which should show the letter after 8168.

#1019 RE: Windows XP SP3 32bit and modern PC parts by cedar 09.07.2019 20:34

@ XPLives. The Realtek Lan works in win81. I believe I saw 8168H
with H from Doubledriver.

Edit: It is in section H. Not necessary 8168H. My mistake.

From Doubledriver 's Restore.inf of Win7 a while back.

DriverDesc=Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller
DriverVersion=7.109.526.2017
DriverDate=5-26-2017
DriverProvider=Realtek
DriverClass=Net
DriverInfPath=oem5.inf
DriverInfSection=RTL8168H.ndi.NT
DriverHardwareID=pci\ven_10ec&dev_8168&subsys_86771043&rev_15

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From Doubledriver 's Restore.inf of "Win81", It has 2 IDs?!

[RestoreInformation]
DriverDesc=Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller
DriverVersion=8.1.510.2013
DriverDate=5-10-2013
DriverProvider=Microsoft
DriverClass=Net
DriverInfPath=netrt630x64.inf
DriverInfSection=RTL8168E.ndi.NT
DriverHardwareID=pci\ven_10ec&dev_8168&rev_06
[RestoreInformation1]
DriverDesc=Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller
DriverVersion=8.1.510.2013
DriverDate=5-10-2013
DriverProvider=Microsoft
DriverClass=Net
DriverInfPath=netrt630x64.inf
DriverInfSection=RTL8168.ndi.NT
DriverHardwareID=pci\ven_10ec&dev_8168&rev_15

Strange! 2 Hardware ID's.

Cedar

#1020 RE: Windows XP SP3 32bit and modern PC parts by diderius6 09.07.2019 21:21

@cedar @infuscomus @XPLives
I use this lan-driver for Realtek.
acpi.sys is my latest version and STORAHCI (big thank to Samuel Marins Oliveira) also with new storport.sys and txtsetup.oem
Dietmar

PS: I do not edit txtsetup.sif by hand, only use nlite and copy by hand acpi.sy_ and storport.sy_ via makecab.exe to the installationsfolder i386 for CD.

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