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#31 RE: Allow B0 stepping on Asus W621E Sage by Lost_N_BIOS 24.08.2018 08:04

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Have you asked Asus directly via email, or maybe Asus pro's on the ROG forum? Some of the BIOS tech's hang out on there, they may be able to look into getting a BIOS fixed for you.

#32 RE: Allow B0 stepping on Asus W621E Sage by mitdal369 24.08.2018 09:37

Hey Max, thats interesting, upon a cold boot, my chips will stall at 04 which is PCH initialization, however if I hit the reset button on the board, I will get post code 66 like you and one long beep followed by two short beeps which means no memory detected. I've tried memory in all slots with that so I'm pretty sure it isn't the memory (especially since it works on another board).

EDIT: And Lost, I haven't asked Asus directly yet or on their forums (since its an ES) but I'll give it a shot when I get a chance this weekend.

#33 RE: Allow B0 stepping on Asus W621E Sage by Lost_N_BIOS 24.08.2018 09:59

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They wont care if ES, especially on the forums, and you don't even have to say that anyway just give model and CPUID and say it works on competitors board why not theirs

I would ask on the ROG forum, not the VIP forum (if that's still alive). Maybe ask in the overclocking section too, more interest will be in there and more of the staff that helps with BIOS too.

#34 RE: Allow B0 stepping on Asus W621E Sage by mitdal369 25.08.2018 05:04

Thanks, just posted it in the overclocking and tweaking section. Lets hope that it generates some interest.

#35 RE: Allow B0 stepping on Asus W621E Sage by maxdata 25.08.2018 07:27

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Hi MIT,
Thanks for confirming what I am seeing! I have the same code 66 plus the same long/2 short beeps that supposedly indicates that RAM is not recognized. Even though my
Samsung 2400 ECC is on their QVL. One more detail that might be relevant- EVERY time BIOS post stalls at 66 there is a message on lower right of monitor screen 'system memory abnormal' with a little code 'BB' in lower right corner of screen (image attached).

Before Losts BIOS update (installed OK) I was getting stall at 05, then cycling before stop at 66. Now it sits at 14 a few seconds, then cycles to 66 with the same system message.

These B0 CPUs work on Supermicro X11-DAC, X11 DPG-Q - what is it about ASUS? My C621E board came with BIOS 0401. ASUS 0501 and 0801 both stalled, would not flashback.
Thankfully, Lost's 0801 mod successfully flashed, unlike any of the ASUS updates.
Still no boot and code 66, but at least I am up to 0801! (THANKS Lost!)

MIT, thankful you raised the B0 issue and Lost provided a better BIOS and some clues to narrow the problem. BIOS lack of support is probable cause so at least not a bad socket or cpu.
I have changed out, reconfigured, or re-seated every component, in case, out-of-case, but same code 66.

I did check with ASUS tech support before finding Win-RAID forum, and the only response was denial- they say my ES cpu is not on their list of supported cpus and that the code 66 PXE initialization means a CPU incompatibility not a memory problem. But AmiBIOS tech data says the code 66 and long/2short beeps are normally RAM not recognized.

Reason I got WS C621E was the OC capability, have 10 days left to return. I'll head over to the ASUS forum,
but there was nothing last time I checked...
Thank you MIT, Thank you Lost!!

Max

#36 RE: Allow B0 stepping on Asus W621E Sage by mitdal369 25.08.2018 07:54

Zitat von maxdata im Beitrag #35
Hi MIT,
Thanks for confirming what I am seeing! I have the same code 66 plus the same long/2 short beeps that supposedly indicates that RAM is not recognized. Even though my
Samsung 2400 ECC is on their QVL. One more detail that might be relevant- EVERY time BIOS post stalls at 66 there is a message on lower right of monitor screen 'system memory abnormal' with a little code 'BB' in lower right corner of screen (image attached).

Before Losts BIOS update (installed OK) I was getting stall at 05, then cycling before stop at 66. Now it sits at 14 a few seconds, then cycles to 66 with the same system message.

These B0 CPUs work on Supermicro X11-DAC, X11 DPG-Q - what is it about ASUS? My C621E board came with BIOS 0401. ASUS 0501 and 0801 both stalled, would not flashback.
Thankfully, Lost's 0801 mod successfully flashed, unlike any of the ASUS updates.
Still no boot and code 66, but at least I am up to 0801! (THANKS Lost!)

MIT, thankful you raised the B0 issue and Lost provided a better BIOS and some clues to narrow the problem. BIOS lack of support is probable cause so at least not a bad socket or cpu.
I have changed out, reconfigured, or re-seated every component, in case, out-of-case, but same code 66.

I did check with ASUS tech support before finding Win-RAID forum, and the only response was denial- they say my ES cpu is not on their list of supported cpus and that the code 66 PXE initialization means a CPU incompatibility not a memory problem. But AmiBIOS tech data says the code 66 and long/2short beeps are normally RAM not recognized.

Reason I got WS C621E was the OC capability, have 10 days left to return. I'll head over to the ASUS forum,
but there was nothing last time I checked...
Thank you MIT, Thank you Lost!!

Max

Yo Max, you might as well post your results on the asus forum too. You're at least getting somewhat farther then I did with video out. Are you using the built in VGA output or an external gpu?

And let me know if you need a link to the post, I can PM it to you, I dunno the rules about posting direct links to other places on this forum.

#37 RE: Allow B0 stepping on Asus W621E Sage by Lost_N_BIOS 25.08.2018 08:08

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You're welcome @maxdata Did you guys try without ECC? If not, and you have some, try non ECC, longshot but maybe it will work

Sorry I can't figure out the Intel ME switch for you guys, but since it's a minimal update it may not have helped anyway.... But I suppose it could be the key too, who knows. Wish I could get it for you!
Do either of you have flash programmers? If yes, then I could maybe manually hex edit it in, probably be a fail, but we could still try.

@mitdal369 Do you have X11DPI-N? If yes, does the CPU's work on that one, if yes then microcode and ME are not the resolution, those both have exact same microcodes and ME versions.
Wait, I see X11DAC has exact same as this Asus WS-C621E too, and you said the CPU's work there correct? I think so, all three have all same ucodes and ME, confirming that ME and Microcodes are not the only thing that is allowing the Supermicro boards to work with these CPU's


DPH8 and DPG-QT both have the newer ME, which I was trying to update the Asus too, but I guess this confirms that is not the solution

#38 RE: Allow B0 stepping on Asus W621E Sage by mitdal369 25.08.2018 08:36

Hey Lost,

Na I don't have the DPI-N but I believe it works on that model. And as for non-ecc memory I'll hit up Fry's tomorrow and see if I can pick up a stick or two and give that a shot.

Thanks.

#39 RE: Allow B0 stepping on Asus W621E Sage by Lost_N_BIOS 25.08.2018 08:40

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Well you do have the X11DAC correct? And it works there right? If yes, then it's same as this Asus board, as far as microcodes and ME, all same version for X11DPI-N, X11DAC and Asus WS-C621E
Ohh, sorry, that's maxdata that has the X11DAC - anyway, he said they work there but not in this Asus with same ME/Microcodes, so the answer isn't in the ME/Microcodes, something else in the BIOS making these compatible.

#40 RE: Allow B0 stepping on Asus W621E Sage by maxdata 25.08.2018 08:51

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Hi MIT,
Thx for the post over at ROG OC. Signed up for the ASUS ROG OC forum, Will add couple pics/sob story
to your discussion as soon as system will let me post.

Pic is showing screen from a 15 pin VGA port on ribbon from the MB, to an old Acer monitor
But got the same post behavior regardless of monitor or graphics interface.
Used other monitors with Rx560 and DVI, GTX 1080Ti with HDMI, and different monitors too.
Also, I tried non-ECC RAM like Lost suggested, and still the same code 66.

I have to get the equipment Lost referred to, havent done any BIOS mods before, but
this problem has shown how valuable it could be to do that stuff. Thankfully Lost is
lurking on this and other forums, guiding victims thru the vendor-created hell
of incompatible BIOSes and microcode..:)

#41 RE: Allow B0 stepping on Asus W621E Sage by maxdata 25.08.2018 09:57

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hi Lost,
Thanks for the additional - your logic re BIOS, microcode and ME is irrefutable, saves some messing around with ME for now.
I now realize the value of getting smart on BIOSes and CPU microcode, will get the flash programmer.

One more related question -

Since flash reader/programmer can change BIOS, would that be best way to modify CPU microcode
Or is there a system I could also obtain to directly read & reprogram cpu microcode without OS?

Thanx!!
max

#42 RE: Allow B0 stepping on Asus W621E Sage by Lost_N_BIOS 25.08.2018 20:04

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Well guys, I don't think flash programmer will help anything now, I only mentioned that in thinking about forcing in a hex edited ME transfer, but now we can see that would be pointless.

Programmer is not needed for microcode changes either, as you know you've already flashed a modified BIOS where I updated all the microcodes.
Microcodes are edited in the BIOS using software, in this case that would be either hex and UEFITool, or MMTool and UEFITool/Hex to correct FIT tables etc. Then once BIOS is done editing you flash, it's that simple.

One thing I can think of still on the ME front, since this is often ME or microcodes, is the ME settings. I will compare the two which have same ME and see if I can notice anything relevant different between them, if so I should be able to change that setting in the Asus ME and save without error.
Then, that would be able to be reflashed without issue, since there would be no ME cleaning or transferring which was giving me hassles before, it would only be internal ME setting change which should be no problem (Hopefully!)

I will cross-compare the ME settings in X11DAC and WS-C621E tonight and change the WS-C621E if I can see anything obviously set different.

#43 RE: Allow B0 stepping on Asus W621E Sage by levelud 25.08.2018 21:21

I have attached a list of compatible boards perhaps could this also help a little bit...

#44 RE: Allow B0 stepping on Asus W621E Sage by Lost_N_BIOS 26.08.2018 08:32

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Well, I tried editing Asus BIOS ME, just changing settings to match X11DAC, but I get same error as when I tried to transfer ME from one to the other, so I think this is specific bug with this (only) software version I have to edit this particular Intel ME
I get error $FPT entry count 0x0F expected 0x0E - with MEA tool. I assume, well that looks like ME entry point or ME location, but this does not appear on unedited BIOS, so I think it's bug with this software possibly

So I don't think it's good idea for you to test this BIOS. I made a ton of changes too, see here is my list of most settings changed or not changed, all within same ME version but between X11DAC ME Settings vs Asus WS-C621E settings

Change ME to "Full" from "SiEN" at top chipset/SKU area, to match X11DAC
Changed ME HeartbeatMgPIO from 0x01 to 0x00 to match X11DAC
Changed Integrated Clock Controller to Internal from External "" "" "" (This may be hardware issue, Asus might not have internal)
Set ME Dual Image to False "" "" ""
Enabled PCH Strap 1 >> PCH PCIe NP16 Uplink Enable "" "" "" (Left this out for now, maybe board specific, unrelated to CPU)
Enabled PCH Strap 4 entire section, was disabled by default - see image
Enabled PCIE Swtich PSF10 enable and PCIE 8x upstread port config (Strap 5)
Changed strap 32 IE SMLINK0 Bus Speed config from 400Khz to Fast Mod Plus 1Mhz
Changed Strap 105 Intel QAT EP Core Freq to 533MHz from 685MHz
Enabled VID on PCH strap 119 - for Lower power saving on LBG QAT SKU
Changed Strp 127 SSD and feedforwarding enabling to Internal clocking mode from external clocking mode
Changed Strap 128 - Gain control from 0x1 to 0x0 (Was unable to change this one!
Soft strap, enabled PCH PCIE NP16 Uplink x16 port disabled to enabled.
Platform Config WMX20 unable to change from 0x1 to 0x0 to match X11DAC

Left a few things disable/as-they-were in Asus BIOS ME vs X11DAC, because I could tell they were ME/Board specific and unrelated to CPU (such as SMBus or IC2 sensors SMLink etc) Also left several PCIE specific things as they were, lane controller, splits etc.
Left several settings as they were, not matching X11DAC at PCH Strap 135, dealing with SPI settings (I/O mode, CRC Checking, Single, dual, quad etc)
Left several soft strap internal PCH Bussed settings dealing with SPI as they were too.
Left many SATA/PCIE settings at soft strap Flex I/O different between the board, unrelated and board specific, same for USB3, SATA/PCIE polarity

#45 RE: Allow B0 stepping on Asus W621E Sage by mitdal369 26.08.2018 10:07

Hey Lost,

Really appreciate what you've done so far! I wonder, as of now I'm getting stuck at pch initialization, if you just duplicate settings that are related to the PCH and nothing else, if that would make any difference (assuming there aren't any other settings that are reliant on those). Does that sound like a logical thing to try?

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