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#781 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) by sibliss 20.07.2021 07:09

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@jcook

always happy to hear a success,

on a note, the windows not booting issue is normal behavior when you try to clone windows. but as you have since got into safemode and hopefully got it to fix it's boot instructions. you should be good to go.

#782 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) by jcook 20.07.2021 11:25

@sibliss
Yes, after entering safe mode I restarted and normal boot now works fine :)
(I.e. just entering safe mode and rebooting fixes the problem!)

As for clover. Actually I saw the same " failure after X attempts" dialog there too.
My hunch is following that dialog in the same way would have worked there too. I just didn't think of it at the time.
This would give me the chance to go to 1TB (my original plan) and a new unused SSD.

Does a cloned W10 (OEM, no key) remain activated in this scenario? I am not exactly sure how W10 stores the information (somewhere in the bios/uefi) and whether clover "being in between" affects this.

#783 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) by Thiersee 20.07.2021 12:30

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Zitat von jcook im Beitrag #782
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Does a cloned W10 (OEM, no key) remain activated in this scenario? I am not exactly sure how W10 stores the information (somewhere in the bios/uefi) and whether clover "being in between" affects this.

If the key is stored in the BIOS/UEFI and you change ONLY the system-drive, W10 stays activated!
If you would change the mainboard or the BIOS/UEFI NOT.

#784 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) by jcook 21.07.2021 18:21

@Thiersee

Sorry for being very dense (it may help others like me!) but does this mean using the clover route will mean an OEM windows will not (re)activate as the bios/uefi is now clover itself from the point of view of windows (and contains no key).

Is that right?

(From a hackintosh point of view are people really losing their OEM Windows licenses by using clover to add macos)

And in the case of bios modding with the nvme driver - does the bios mod itself change the bios so much that again windows would not (re)activate an OEM Windows license?

Again, sorry if the answers are really obvious!
Might it be worth pinning this info to the threads?

#785 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) by Thiersee 21.07.2021 18:41

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Zitat von jcook im Beitrag #784
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but does this mean using the clover route will mean an OEM windows will not (re)activate as the bios/uefi is now clover itself from the point of view of windows (and contains no key).
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I don't think so!
My test-PC (NVMe-SSD + Clover) will be re-activated every time I install it from scratch.

Zitat
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And in the case of bios modding with the nvme driver - does the bios mod itself change the bios so much that again windows would not (re)activate an OEM Windows license?
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I don't know that, but I think the key is in a non accessible area of the BIOS/UEFI; otherwise it would be not possible to update the BIOS without loosing the activation.

And important:
Clover does NOT replace the BIOS, only the part for booting!

#786 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) by Black6spdZ 21.07.2021 23:19

any researched the clover uefi 4k loss of performance?

#787 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) by jcook 25.07.2021 01:22

@Thiersee
Thanks for the information.
Knowing this does encourage me to try the move to 1TB SSD while trying to preserve the current W10 install(!) with clover later on this year :)

#788 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) -UPDATE by papipapi 08.08.2021 20:31

Zitat von sibliss im Beitrag #493
Additional statement to the guide (= start post of this thread): (edited by Fernando)

Clarification of what clover is and how this method works!
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ASK FOR HELP!
If you have trouble beyond this however please ask questions in the forum and i will respond when i can, I am no expert but i have done many of these installs with success now and i will do my best to help.


Hi sibliss, thanks a lot for your additional indications to the procedure, really helpful. Things seems to work fine for me with W11 on my NVMe drive in my PCIe adapter now (although it could be a good idea to add in the procedure that at 2b the computer needs to be connected to the internet to work as my formatting was not working until I figured that out...). Just one question though and sorry if this has been dealt with somewhere else but I was wondering : do I always need to have my "BDUd" USB drive plugged into my PC at start-up ? or is there a way to do without it ?

#789 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) -UPDATE by sibliss 09.08.2021 05:34

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@papipapi

Zitat von papipapi im Beitrag #788


Hi sibliss, thanks a lot for your additional indications to the procedure, really helpful. Things seems to work fine for me with W11 on my NVMe drive in my PCIe adapter now (although it could be a good idea to add in the procedure that at 2b the computer needs to be connected to the internet to work as my formatting was not working until I figured that out...). Just one question though and sorry if this has been dealt with somewhere else but I was wondering : do I always need to have my "BDUd" USB drive plugged into my PC at start-up ? or is there a way to do without it ?


In answer to your question yes you will always need the usb plugged in. unless you have a secondary internal (sata) hard drive you can install clover to note that the bdu will wipe the whole hard drive when creating the clover boot but after that the rest of the hard drive can be partitioned and used as normal.

#790 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) -UPDATE by sibliss 09.08.2021 05:48

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@jcook @Thiersee

Just to need to clarify something for you both as a Microsoft technologies associate I feel it is import to correct a small detail with relation to bios and your windows activation key....

Microsoft has not used integrated keys since windows 7.
The windows activation key is not installed in the bios but rather on Microsoft's servers.
How this works is that windows generates a hardware id string that is used to identify your specific computer based on it's hardware (things like serial numbers etc.) when a computer who's id string matches this asks Microsoft's server for activation it will grant the activation because the id string matches.
Usually small changes like a hard drive will not effect this to much and the activation is still granted and the hardware key updated on the servers.

Happy Computing, Sibliss

#791 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) -UPDATE by papipapi 09.08.2021 13:27

Zitat von sibliss im Beitrag #789
unless you have a secondary internal (sata) hard drive you can install clover to note that the bdu will wipe the whole hard drive when creating the clover boot but after that the rest of the hard drive can be partitioned and used as normal.

OK, thanks for your answer. In that case how would I make BDU "see" my sata HD ? at the moment it seems to be seeing only my USB drive...

#792 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) -UPDATE by sibliss 09.08.2021 14:29

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@papipapi

in the bdu go to options under configurations check the box for enable fixed disks, you can now install the bdu/clover to a sata hard drive IT WILL DELETE THE ENTIRE HARD DRIVE IN THE PROCESS, you have been WARNED!!!!!!

#793 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) -UPDATE by papipapi 09.08.2021 14:35

Thanks for the tip. Yes, no worries I understand that all the content will be wiped out. And then after the BDU 200MB Partition has been created and filled with clover I can format the "other" partition as any other partition at will ?

#794 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) -UPDATE by sibliss 09.08.2021 14:43

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Zitat von papipapi im Beitrag #793
Thanks for the tip. Yes, no worries I understand that all the content will be wiped out. And then after the BDU 200MB Partition has been created and filled with clover I can format the "other" partition as any other partition at will ?


yes that is correct

#795 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) -UPDATE by papipapi 09.08.2021 14:47

Thanks again !

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