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#391 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) by snorlaxgangs 10.11.2019 17:45

Sorry, I'm still a little bit confused with the answer no.1.
1) set Clover USB-Drive as the first position in the boot priorities. Ok checked.
2)boot the first time from your INSTALL USB-drive (boot manager) to install W10 : U mean i boot to media installation usb then find the clover usb and boot from there again? I thought i had to boot from clover usb then pick Windowsinstallation media via EFI-Boot then choose the nvme ssd to install windows like normal?

#392 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) by Thiersee 10.11.2019 18:37

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Windows 10 supports already NVMe and has a standard NVMe driver; the problem is a mainboard not detecting NVMe drives!
So, if you install W10 with your installation media, you can install W10 (it detects the NVMe), but on the first reboot it will not continue, because the MB does not see de NVMe drive! At this point Clover-USB-Media must be attached!

Does your BIOS detect the NVMe?
If not, you need CLOVER, but not for the first step.

#393 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) by snorlaxgangs 10.11.2019 22:08

I'm still waiting for the ssd n adapter to arrive.The mainboard is from 2008, one of the first x58 back then. However i found a thread from a guy that used the same system like i have, it seems like nvme only work on the last slot PCIe.

#394 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) by Apieper 10.11.2019 22:56

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Hello,
I have read most of the 27 pages on this post, and was able to understand the main ideas, as well as test some of them, such as the Windows 10 dual boot and the CLOVER method.
An IT manager for over 20 years, I'm not afraid to dive into the deepest technical issues, but still I'm stuck in trying to install and boot from a 1TB Intel 660p SSD M.2 PCIe NVME with a PCIe adapter.

My rig:
-Intel E8500 Core2Duo
-XFX 790i Ultra SLI (with the P09 AMI Phoenix bios, the last official one)
-EVGA GTX 780
-120GB SATA SSD from Sandisk

It goes without saying this MoBo/BIOS does not have native support for booting from NVMe on PCIe devices (why else would I be reading this post, right?).
I've disconnected the original RAID 0 I'll eventually replace, to make this exercise easier.
I've disabled the RAID on the BIOS and installed WINDOWS 10 PRO on my plain SATA SSD which boots normally.
The idea being that I will "read the MBR" from it, in other words, get to the dual boot menu, and then somehow point it to the NVMe PCIe SSD, and boot from its Windows 10 (so that it becomes my C: drive, which is the whole idea here).

Using Win10 should make it easier, so after installing it onto the SATA SSD and booting, I've then used the Intel cloning tool to clone it to the NVMe PCIe SSD (which the OS can see normally, just like the Win 7 Ultra on the older RAID can, once the intel driver is installed).

Booting from the SATA SSD does trigger the dual boot menu (which means it can see my 2 drives with different installations):
By getting to the command prompt from there, I can also freely navigate to the NVMe PCIe SSD and see everything that's there, so the "native Win 10 support for PCIe NVMe" is really there at boot time.
However when I select boot from the NVMePCIeSSD in the dual boot menu, the system will not do it.
It tells me I need to repair it, which of course doesn't work.
It was the same thing when I used the CLOVER method.

I tried running a full Windows 10 install into the NVMe SSD, but it doesn't finish the install because the first time it boots during the process, and I remove the USB Installation media, it doesn't know how to get back there on its own and continue with the installation.
Hence my "cloning" the SATA SSD using the Intel tool.

So, what should I try next, the DUET method?
It just seems like I'll get to the same point where the system can see both drives, yet won't continue the boot process on the NVMe drive. Something is amiss there...
Any light will be appreciated.

#395 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) by Sandbites 12.11.2019 06:22

Zitat von Apieper im Beitrag #394
Hello,
I tried running a full Windows 10 install into the NVMe SSD, but it doesn't finish the install because the first time it boots during the process, and I remove the USB Installation media, it doesn't know how to get back there on its own and continue with the installation.
Hence my "cloning" the SATA SSD using the Intel tool.



I suggest doing a modified approach.

My physical setup is a
a. NVME drive
b. Asus MOBO that does not have an NVME slot and does not support NVME in the BIOS boot choices.
c. NVME to PCIE to NvME adaptor.
d. 8 gig ordinary USB stick.

I then installed the NvME to the PCIe/NVME adaptor, then installed the card on an empty PCIe slot. I stuck the USB in one of the USB slots.

Software prep

1. To prepare the NVME as my primary windows 10 bootdisk, while installed on the PCIE adaptor I did these;
a. prepare the clover USB Bootdisk. Format any USB stick to FAT 32 and drag TONY54's files into it and the USB will be ready. Thank you Tony54 for that. BTW I just used an 8 gig USB. Search the thread for TONY54's files.
b. stick the USB in any empty USB slot.

I then did the following settings on my BIOS;
c. enter PC BIOS
d. Load BIOS defaults
e. changed BIOS boot disk to UEFI "USB CLOVER DISK"
f. change settings on the mobo BIOS so that booting will always be on CLOVER USB bootdisk
g. save settings and let computer cycle and reload BIOS with Clover USB in the USB slot.

2. Turn on computer, it should boot into clover disk and bring you directly to the CLOVER menu. If you do not get to the Clover menu, DO NOT move on, repeat process 1.
3. In the clover menu set it to boot into UEFI DVD. My Windows 10 disk was in the DVD drive. I loaded windows using my Win10 DVD physically installed in the DVD drive.
4. Install windows10 using the DVD. Go through all the normal procedures up to the point where you are asked to choose the DISK where you will install your windows.
5. In the windows install page where you are being asked to choose what disk to load windows on to, press SHIFT+F12, this will open the command prompt.
a. Use diskpart to prepare the disk for GPT,
b. refer to the first part of this thread for instructions or use this tutorial; https://youtu.be/kKtkizioHRs,
c. note that in my case I formatted my NVME drive using NTFS instead of FAT 32 as opposed to the tutorial.
d. I then loaded windows 10 in the normal fashion

7. On the first reboot after windows installs, intercept the Clover boot sequence. Choose the NVME where windows was installed. In your case there might be several Hard disk choices, choose the first one and work your way from there until you find the harddrive/partition/NVME where you loaded your new windows.
8. Windows will restart several times, just click okay. choose express settings.
9. ALWAYS computer should boot in this fashion; BIOS-->CLOVER USB-->Windows in NVME
10. If the computer does not BOOT into the clover first the install will fail.

Update after my install
1. I now boot from the clover installation on my internal hard drive instead of the USB stick. I made a small and separate 100MB partition on my internal SATA harddrive and formatted this 100MB partition with FAT32.
2. I then copied all the files in my Clover USB boot disk (which previously worked). I edited the config.plist on the UEFI partition on the clover Harddisk and changed all USB entries into HDD, now the PC boots through the clover boot disk on my hard drive.
3. The USB Clover is being kept for emergency , in case the hard drive fails in the future. It seems that the HDD boot is faster that the USB boot disk and I feel more comfortable that my boot disk is not dangling from the outside of my PC.
4. I also installed a PCIe 1X to 16X riser (ribbon type).
5. What it does is I insert the PCIe 1x on the mother board and the other end is a PCIe 16x slot.
6. Often the extra PCIe 1x slot where we install the m.2 is beside the graphics card. Using the extension/riser I was able to move the m.2 ssd far away from the graphics card so the heat of the graphics card reach and affect the ssd.

#396 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) by Sandbites 12.11.2019 19:15

Zitat von snorlaxgangs im Beitrag #393
I'm still waiting for the ssd n adapter to arrive.The mainboard is from 2008, one of the first x58 back then. However i found a thread from a guy that used the same system like i have, it seems like nvme only work on the last slot PCIe.

The NVME-PCIe adaptor should work in any of the available slots

#397 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) by Apieper 13.11.2019 04:47

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Zitat von Sandbites im Beitrag #395


I suggest doing a modified approach.



Thanks Sandbite! I'm letting my mind digest the ideas.

#398 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) by Apieper 15.11.2019 21:27

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Zitat von Sandbites im Beitrag #395

(...)Update after my install
1. I now boot from the clover installation on my internal hard drive instead of the USB stick. I made a small and separate 100MB partition on my internal SATA harddrive and formatted this 100MB partition with FAT32.
2. I then copied all the files in my Clover USB boot disk (which previously worked). I edited the config.plist on the UEFI partition on the clover Harddisk and changed all USB entries into HDD, now the PC boots through the clover boot disk on my hard drive.
3. The USB Clover is being kept for emergency , in case the hard drive fails in the future. It seems that the HDD boot is faster that the USB boot disk and I feel more comfortable that my boot disk is not dangling from the outside of my PC.
4. I also installed a PCIe 1X to 16X riser (ribbon type).
5. What it does is I insert the PCIe 1x on the mother board and the other end is a PCIe 16x slot.
6. Often the extra PCIe 1x slot where we install the m.2 is beside the graphics card. Using the extension/riser I was able to move the m.2 ssd far away from the graphics card so the heat of the graphics card reach and affect the ssd.



Hi Sandbites,
I like this part better, this is where I plan to pick up and continue.
I just couldn't find the UEFI partition on Tony's files, do you mean the EFI partition?
If so, config.plist on this folder has many pages but glancing at all of them I was unable to find USB entries to change to HDD, can you elaborate? or am I looking at the wrong place?

#399 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) by sibliss 25.11.2019 12:35

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Zitat von snorlaxgangs im Beitrag #389
Hi, i registered to ask a few questions. I'm using Rampage II extreme ( 2101 bios), window 10 1903, 1 SSD, 1 HDD. R2E has PCIe 2.0 and capable of x16 x16 x1 or x16 x8 x8. I have read quickly through 26 pages and follow the intrusion from page 1 and page 25 where to find-copy the efi file, press f3 in Clover etc.. I'm using 2 usb, one has clover and the other has window 10 installation media. My questions are:
1) Which one these options from attach files should i choose to install window 10 on nvme m.2 ssd?
2) Which nvme m.2 ssd do you recommend for my mobo?
3) I found the adapter from aliexpress and i wanna ask if it is able to use full bandwidth x16 from my mainboard PCie 2.0. Please advice better adapter for my mb if possible.
Link adapter: https://vi.aliexpress.com/i/32833383867.html
4) Assume i got everything done correct and successfully installed window 10 on my nvme ssd. Do i still need to boot to usb clover first or just prioritize ""Samsung 970 Evo nvme m.2 ssd" as first boot?
5) Lastly, what should i do if the usb clover decided to stop working? Do i have to do the whole process again? If i only need to make another usb clover with BDU then just prioritize it as first boot or have to do some configuration?

All in all, thank you all for the effort to make old system better in 2019.




hi snorlaxgangs welcome to the community i will do my best to answer those questions for you.

1. the procedure to install windows 10 on the nvme and boot from it. you must first setup the clover boot ( remember to place the nvme driver file in the right place's ) once that is working you need to set the clover usb as the first boot option in bios you may also insert your windows 10 installation media (usb or dvd) do not remove the clover usb the clover usb will always be required to boot from if clover is set up correctly once booted it should automatically see the windows 10 boot media and present you with an option to boot from it and proceed with the install (i used a dvd myself) during the installation it will reboot and you must select the nvme drive to boot from in clover before it will proceed with installation
2. i use the samsung evo 970 myself with no issue.
3. that adapter card looks like a clone of this one from jeyi https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32967632972.html that i use myself with no issue so i recommend going with this one instead but i so no reason this won't work well with your motherboard.
4. as i stated in point 1. you will always need the clover usb as your first boot the nvme ssd will not boot without it.
5. alternatively you could install the 200mb clover partition to a sata hdd in your computer simply use the BDU from the first post and install to hdd instead then simply copy the config.plist and and themes to the new clover partition on the hdd then set the hdd as the first boot option in your bios NOTE that BDU will erase the hdd i would then simply keep the usb as a backup incase the clover on the hdd doesn't work for some reason. usb are cheap chuck it in a draw

good luck with your build.

#400 HP z420 with Samsung PM981 NVme SSD - Very slow speed by nivi3 05.12.2019 02:11

On this machine, I am running Clover to dual boot to Ubuntu and Windows 10. However, my Nvme SSD
gives only SATA III speeds which is roughly 400-440 MB/s. I should be getting around 3000 MB/s as it is
PCI-e 3.0 x4 SSD. How to improve the speed?

Also, how to change the boot order of the OS's in Clover Boot Screen and if possible add better looking skins
to differentiate the OS's?

#401 RE: HP z420 with Samsung PM981 NVme SSD - Very slow speed by Fernando 05.12.2019 11:26

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@nivi3:
I have moved your request into this thread, because here are the Clover method experts. Maybe @Nyctophilia can help you regarding the Clover boot screen.
Here are some advices regarding the performance of your NVMe SSD:
1. Try to insert it into another PCIe slot.
2. Look into the start post of >this< thread and follow my advices.
Good luck!

#402 RE: HP z420 with Samsung PM981 NVme SSD - Very slow speed by ndruiz 19.12.2019 02:45

I need help. I already have the OS and everything copied to my NVME SSD using macrium reflect. Will this be a problem? I have downloaded clover on a USB but I dont see the file paths that are on page one of the guide. I did find the NVMEexpressdxe.efi file in clover/drivers/off though. But this doesnt seem to be the 64 version.

Can I get an updated file path?
I want to make sure im copying and putting the right things were they go

#403 RE: [Guide] NVMe-boot without modding your UEFI/BIOS (Clover-EFI bootloader method) by Sandbites 19.12.2019 04:23

The file to be edited is;rootfolder->EFI-->CLOVER-->config.plist

1. In your BIOS make sure you can boot into your USB Where the clover is.
2. Boot into clover and go through the boot options, one by one, until you see your NVME where Windows is loaded. If you donít boot into clover then you have to make sure your clover files are correct.
3. If you can Windows from your nvme then you are okay, if you canít, try re-installing Windows.

#404 RE: HP z420 with Samsung PM981 NVme SSD - Very slow speed by sibliss 19.12.2019 09:56

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Zitat von ndruiz im Beitrag #402
I need help. I already have the OS and everything copied to my NVME SSD using macrium reflect. Will this be a problem? I have downloaded clover on a USB but I dont see the file paths that are on page one of the guide. I did find the NVMEexpressdxe.efi file in clover/drivers/off though. But this doesnt seem to be the 64 version.

Can I get an updated file path?
I want to make sure im copying and putting the right things were they go


@ndruiz
Assuming you used the BDU as directed in the OP ...It is safe to simply omit the 64 from the file path as clover itself actually doesn't care if it's 32 bit or 64 bit since it makes no difference to handing off the boot to another drive/os like we do in this situation, I have also found it is perfectly safe to copy the NVMEexpressdxe.efi driver file from EFI/clover/drivers/off dirrectory to both EFI/clover/drivers/BIOS and EFI/clover/drivers/UEFI directories with no issue file size is negligible at best and my system is 64 bit os.

As for cloning a an already installed OS build.... It is possible and infact i did it myself but it is not an easy process (much easier to just do a clean install) no doubt the cloned OS will not boot properly initially if i recall it took me about two days of trial and error with various terminal commands to make mine work and i'm a Microsoft certified tech.... that said if you still want to go this way the best advice i can give especially if coming from an older windows 10 upgraded from a previous os is to make sure the OS partition is GPT not MBR windows 10 has a built in tool to convert to gpt without data loss https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows...ment/mbr-to-gpt

EDIT:( try Microsoft's sysprep first before the below blog method )
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/sysprep--generalize--a-windows-installation

I also found steps 2, 2a, 3 and 8 particularly useful (regarding getting the OS to boot) from this page PLEASE NOTE that i have no invested interest in or relationship with this blog and you do this at your own risk. I simply found it was useful https://mrlithium.blogspot.com/2015/12/how-to-boot-nvme-ssd-from-legacy-bios.html HOWEVER i highly recommend using the supported Microsoft sysprep method ( do a web search for how to use it ) before attempting the way suggested on mrlithium's blog. sysprep is ALOT easier and quicker when it works unfortunately my system failed to sysprep so i had to do it this harder way.

#405 RE: HP z420 with Samsung PM981 NVme SSD - Very slow speed by ndruiz 20.12.2019 01:52

So i put the NVMEexpressdxe.efi file into the UEFI directory. Everything worked. I saw my SSD too. But when I boot up my SSD there is just a blank screen. Is this because I have already cloned my main drive and there is already an OS and files on my nvme SSD? How do I fix this.

Thanks for everything and for the quick replies.

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