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#31 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by nepaluz 04.01.2016 18:09

Right, the options in Rufus are:
1. Partition Scheme
- MBR Partition scheme for BIOS or UEFI
- MBR Partition scheme for UEFI
- GPT partition scheme for UEFI

2. File System
- FAT32 (Default)
- NTFS
- UDF
- exFAT

I am going to hold off deleting the SDD partitions and re-run Rufus with the following settings:
Prtition scheme: GPT partition scheme for UEFI
File System: NTFS
Cluster size: 4096 bytes (Default)

Are those correct?

EDIT: I just noticed that when I select NTFS the partition scheme changes to MBR Partition scheme for BIOS or UEFI as soon as I start the process, so I cancelled and left the default selection of FAT32.

#32 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Fernando 04.01.2016 18:22

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Zitat von nepaluz im Beitrag #52
1. I was following your instructions but Rufus did not have the exact option you mentioned that included GPT.
If you want to get Win10 installed in UEFI mode, you have to choose the Rufus option "GPT partition scheme for UEFI".
Since the UEFI mode is not supported by using the NTFS File System, you have to choose the option "Large FAT32 (Default)".

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3. Yes I am able to to run a boot menu and abke to select a specific boot device from within BIOS (in fact, it detects the USB and lists it as a USB device with the option to enable USB device booting also offered)

If you have created a bootable USB Flash drive by using Rufus and chosen the "GPT partition scheme" as Partition scheme and "Large FAT32 (Default)" as File System, you should get a bootable device listed named (UEFI) <NAME OF THE USB>". You have to choose this option and not the other one without the "(UEFI)" prefix, if you want to get the OS installed in UEFI mode (using the GUIMODE Partition Table).

Good luck!

#33 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by nepaluz 04.01.2016 20:14

@Fernando - thanks a lot for the input and apologies for going so off topic.
I did as advised and the install process does not get too far off where it previously reached however, I now have a different error, ie:
We couldn't install Widows in the location you chose. Please check your media drive. Here's more info about what happened: 0x80300002

I've googled for that error and it seems to be related to installation media, but I am using a USB (from an ISO), so I am at a loss as to the remedy. However, when I click on refresh in he screen to choose a partition, all the partitions disappear. I tried loading the driver you attached and they are all incompatible, I wonder whether I need to give you more details on my system .... well it is a lenovo flex 2-15.

I have to say you were spot on with regard to the boot disk settings in Rufus ... GPT UEFI et al ... as the install boot up is much faster and the display sharper (denoting loading proper drivers?).

#34 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Fernando 04.01.2016 20:36

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Zitat von nepaluz im Beitrag #56
I now have a different error, ie:
We couldn't install Widows in the location you chose.
Which location did you choose?

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Please check your media drive. Here's more info about what happened: 0x80300002

Did you check the used USB Flash drive?
Maybe it will help, when you take another (better) USB Flash drive.

#35 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by nepaluz 04.01.2016 21:38

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #57
Zitat von nepaluz im Beitrag #56
I now have a different error, ie:
We couldn't install Widows in the location you chose.
Which location did you choose?


I chose the primary partition that I created on the drive.

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #57

Zitat
Please check your media drive. Here's more info about what happened: 0x80300002
Did you check the used USB Flash drive?
Maybe it will help, when you take another (better) USB Flash drive.


It is not an issue with the USB flash drive as I also have another new 16GB Sandisk drive that I've flashed but still get the same result. If, however, by better you mean a different model, then I have yet to try that (and won't be able to till tomorrow!).

Saying that, I've been fiddling a bit with the BIOS, and had the SATA controller mode set to Compatible and getting the errors I've documented. After the last install fail, I changed the mode back to the factory default AHCI and the drive partitions were NOT detected from the onset. So there, the error has to do with the SATA controller!

In the meantime, I also dug up > this link < on how to get Intel RST drivers. I managed to load the inf drivers and the install process does recognise the driver for my chipset, i.e Intel(R) 8 Series Chipset Family SATA AHCI Controller, but still can not get past THAT screen in the install process, aka the drive is lost after being detected.

I'll make this my last progress post here as I am totally off-topic until (and when) I manage to have better progress. Thanks again for all the input.

#36 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Fernando 04.01.2016 21:53

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Zitat von nepaluz im Beitrag #58
I chose the primary partition that I created on the drive.
This may have been a mistake.
After having created a new partition for the OS, the OS automaticly will add some additional ones and sets them in front of the partition you had created.
You cannot install the OS onto any of these additionally created and very small sized partitions!
Look at the sizes of the partitions, before you decide where to install the OS.

#37 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by nepaluz 04.01.2016 22:29

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #59
Zitat von nepaluz im Beitrag #58
I chose the primary partition that I created on the drive.
This may have been a mistake.
After having created a new partition for the OS, the OS automaticly will add some additional ones and sets them in front of the partition you had created.
You cannot install the OS onto any of these additionally created and very small sized partitions!
Look at the sizes of the partitions, before you decide where to install the OS.


You are right about the OS creating smaller partitions, well, in my case it created one extra partition of 128MB, which it placed in front of the 151GB partition that I created.
It is this 151GB partition that I chose and the install process fails to install on (as mentioned possibly due to the SATA controller driver). If I choose the smaller partition created by the install process, I get short shrift from the install process immediately.

#38 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Fernando 04.01.2016 23:40

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Zitat von nepaluz im Beitrag #60
in my case it created one extra partition of 128MB, which it placed in front of the 151GB partition that I created.
AFAIK the Win10 Setup running in UEFI mode creates 3 extra partitions in front of the desired OS partition:
1. the Recovery Partition,
2. the EFI System Partition (with the boot sector) and
3. the Microsoft Reserved Partition (MSR).
For details of the Win10 installation please look into >this< detailed guide.

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It is this 151GB partition that I chose and the install process fails to install on (as mentioned possibly due to the SATA controller driver).

I told you already, that the Win10 Setup doesn't need any SATA Controller driver to detect your on-board Intel 8-Series SATA AHCI Controller and your screenshots verify, that I was right.

#39 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by nepaluz 05.01.2016 00:02

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #60
Zitat von nepaluz im Beitrag #59
in my case it created one extra partition of 128MB, which it placed in front of the 151GB partition that I created.
AFAIK the Win10 Setup running in UEFI mode creates 3 extra partitions in front of the desired OS partition:
1. the Recovery Partition,
2. the EFI System Partition (with the boot sector) and
3. the Microsoft Reserved Partition (MSR).
For details of the Win10 installation please look into >this< detailed guide.
I do not dispute that, but possibly the other partitions are created later on in the install process, but again as per my screen-grabs, the other partition I was refering to as having been created is the MSR partition.
Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #60

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It is this 151GB partition that I chose and the install process fails to install on (as mentioned possibly due to the SATA controller driver).
I told you already, that the Win10 Setup doesn't need any SATA Controller driver to detect your on-board Intel 8-Series SATA AHCI Controller and your screenshots verify, that I was right.

It certaily does not need to detect the driver to detect the controller, but it is very possible it needs a driver to detect (and retain) the discovered SDD. It seems to detect it OK (from BIOS?) then unexplainably can notsee it anymore. On that, I have no doubt, but maybe I am looking at the wrong driver and I need the SSD one (are there any?).

#40 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Fernando 05.01.2016 00:12

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Zitat von nepaluz im Beitrag #61
On that, I have no doubt, but maybe I am looking at the wrong driver and I need the SSD one (are there any?).
No, there are no special drivers for SSDs. They need the same as HDDs.

#41 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by nepaluz 05.01.2016 00:29

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #62
Zitat von nepaluz im Beitrag #61
On that, I have no doubt, but maybe I am looking at the wrong driver and I need the SSD one (are there any?).
No, there are no special drivers for SSDs. They need the same as HDDs.


Which leaves the controller drivers ..... what's the difference between iaStorA.sys and iaStorAC.sys then? The driver pack I got has the latter, which is identfied as NOT needed by the install but the former is used by my Vista machine for the SSD. I think my next sojourn will be in investigating the instanciation of an unattended install and see whether it'll be fast enough to miss the shipped driver intermittancy.

#42 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Fernando 05.01.2016 00:42

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Zitat von nepaluz im Beitrag #63
what's the difference between iaStorA.sys and iaStorAC.sys then? The driver pack I got has the latter, which is identfied as NOT needed by the install but the former is used by my Vista machine for the SSD.
No, you are mixing the names of the drivers (= *.sys files) and their related information files (= *.inf files). There is no driver named iaStorAC.sys in your driverpack. Your former OS Vista may have used the Intel AHCI driver named iaStorA.sys, but didn't need it, because even Vista had an on-board generic AHCI driver, which supports Intel SATA AHCI Controllers as well.

#43 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Fernando 05.01.2016 00:50

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@ nepaluz:
I have to stop my support now, because I will go to bed and I doubt, that I will have tomorrow the needed time to help you.
Please read >this< already previously linked guide carefully. Maybe you will find this way the reason for your Win10 installation failure.
If you should succeed one day, please let us know how you managed it.

#44 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by nepaluz 10.01.2016 18:12

Just to finally update and bring closure to the off-topic query I in-advertently started.

1. Looks like there is a well documented hardware incompatibility issue with the Intel 530 240GB SSD and the Intel(R) 8 Series Chipset Family SATA AHCI Controller. I put the SSD into my Sony laptop with an Intel(R) ICH9M-E/M Sata AHCI Controller, cloned the disk and it worked flawlessly.
2. I decided to get a SanDisk Ultra II 120GB drive to try in the Lenovo laptop and it worked wihout issue installing a downloaded ISO of Win 10.

Just a note on a clean install of Win 10 using the > tech-bench link < provided by Fernando - Make doubly sure that the version of Win 10 that you download is the same as that one that is on your ugraded Win 8/8.1 to Win 10 system that you wish to clean install or else your clean installed version of Win 10 it will not activate. I made the mistake of downloading a single language version Win 10 ISO (in the misguided belief it would be smaller ... in hindsight actually turned out to be larger by 600MB!) and it would not activate. Downloading and installing a plain Win 10 ISO, which was on my laptop, solved that issue. If you use the media creator tool on the target system, there is no need to be concerned as the correct ISO will be downloaded.

Finally, my thanks to everyone that tried to help, in hindsight, the initial issue that I tried to raise regarding modded drivers for the controller to be able to recognise (and keep alive) the intel SSD, seems to have actually been the real issue, albeit without a known solution if I am to go by what I've found on the net.

#45 RE: RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Fernando 10.01.2016 19:33

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@ nepaluz:
Thanks for your final report, which verifies, that your problem had nothing to,do with a missing driver. So there was no reason to integrate any driver into the Win10 image.
As already announced I have moved our discussion into the "Special: Windows 8.1/10" section of the Forum and gave the new thread a meaningful title.
Enjoy your freshly installed Win10!

@ Nemo:
Here is the new location of our discussion with nepaluz.
Thanks for your help!

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