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#16 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by nepaluz 03.01.2016 21:06

OK, your edits came in good time as I was about to begin though, I discovered I had another query just as I was about to begin.
Should I delete all partitions on the SSD or just make a single partition and format it? If the latter, what should I format it as?
NOTE: I currently have the SSD attached to a Vista Business machine.

EDIT: I've run the gatherosstate.exe and it generated the GenuineTicket.txt file .... do I really need to get the others?

#17 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Fernando 03.01.2016 22:03

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Zitat von nepaluz im Beitrag #38
Should I delete all partitions on the SSD or just make a single partition and format it? If the latter, what should I format it as?
This is what I recommend to do:
  1. Create a bootable USB Flash drive containing the OS image by using the latest version of the tool Rufus. The chosen partition scheme should be "GPT Partition Scheme for UEFI", if the PC is UEFI compatible. In this case you have to choose "Large FAT32" as File System. If you don't want/can install the OS in UEFI mode, you can choose the options "MBR Partition Scheme for UEFI" and "NTFS" as File System.
  2. Boot off the device named "(UEFI) <Name of the USB Stick>".
  3. When you come to the point, when you have to decide, where the OS shall be installed, delete all shown partitions of the target device and create 1 new partition for your future system drive (Drive C:). The size depends on your personal preferences (I would choose ca. 150-170 GB for the system drive and create later a second partition on the SSD as fast storage place for Downloads and important personal data). Since you have created the system drive by using the Win10 own Diskpart.exe, you don't have to care about the SSD alignment.
  4. The Win10 Setup will automaticly create the required additional (usually hidden) partitions and then install the OS onto the freshly created future partition C.

Good luck!

@ nepaluz: @ Nemo:
Since our discussion has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, I want to move it into a separate thread. Which topic title shall I give it?

#18 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Nemo 03.01.2016 22:08

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All partitioning and formating shound be made during the installation of Win10. No need to do it under Vista.

I think it's better to separate Win&applications and data on two partitions.
After choice of language and keyboard layout (which one?)
- Ignore input of key
- Delete all partitions on SSD
- Tell Win to create a partition of 131,572 MiB *); a primary system partition of 500 MiB and a start partition of 128 GiB *) will be created
- Create a partition on the rest of the space
- format every partition
- choose 128 *) GiB partition for inst of W10
- proceed with installation; but take care which personal data you want to be sent to MS: "Proceed" on every dialog is not a good choice I think; choose the other ones which hardly can be recognized with light blue on dark blue background.

*) I don't know the size of your SSD or your needs. Other suitable sizes are 66,036 or 98,804 MiB

Downloading and running ATM doesn't take much of your time. Do it!

Regards, Nemo

PS:
In the meantime Fernando published his advice for installation of Win10. There are only slight differences to my proposal.

PS2: @Fernando: "Clean Installation of Win10 instead of upgrading from Win7/8.x" or "Change of HDD to SSD under Win10 without loss of activation"?! I'm sure Nepaluz will tell us if it works as proposed.

#19 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by nepaluz 04.01.2016 04:04

OK, been up for the better part of the evening and could not get the installation to succeed.
@Fernando - I realise this is off-topic and would not mind you choosing the appropriate thread topic to assign to it when you move this part.

Having done some google research, it seems the clean Win 10 installation on an Intel 530 series 240GB SSD fails due to drivers for the the Intel Chipset as the SSD is intermitently recognised by the setup program, and when the SSD is recognised, setup then fails at the next step saying there is no fixed drive to store temporary files to (I can not even delete or create partitions at that stage as it fails with an error!).

So I suppose back on-topic (and my initial RFI).
1. Which drivers should I incorporate in the now Win 10 setup?
2. Can I simply find the chipset driver in the working installation and copy it to a USB to include / specify during setup?
The chipset (per Win 10 control panel -> Device Manager is Intel(R) 8 Series Chipset Family SATA AHCI controller and it is iaStorA.sys file version 13.0.2.1000

Thanks again for all the input thus far.

#20 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Fernando 04.01.2016 12:05

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Zitat von Nemo im Beitrag #40
@Fernando: "Clean Installation of Win10 instead of upgrading from Win7/8.x" or "Change of HDD to SSD under Win10 without loss of activation"?! I'm sure Nepaluz will tell us if it works as proposed.
I am pretty sure, that it will work.
Recently I have done a fresh Win10 installation onto at least 5-6 different HDDs/SSDs by just replacing the system disk drive within my Z97 system. Although I didn't enter any Product Key, the OS had been automaticly activated by Microsoft.
By the way: This happened even after having changed the CPU from Haswell to Broadwell. I suspect, that the Win10 activation will be valid as long as the mainboard has not been replaced.

Zitat von nepaluz im Beitrag #41
@Fernando - I realise this is off-topic and would not mind you choosing the appropriate thread topic to assign to it when you move this part.
Thanks. I will wait with the movement of the related posts until we got your report about how you succeeded to get Win10 installed onto your SSD.

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Having done some google research, it seems the clean Win 10 installation on an Intel 530 series 240GB SSD fails due to drivers for the the Intel Chipset as the SSD is intermitently recognised by the setup program, and when the SSD is recognised, setup then fails at the next step saying there is no fixed drive to store temporary files to (I can not even delete or create partitions at that stage as it fails with an error!).

Since I really doubt, that this is true for a clean install onto any SSD (a cloning of the OS installation from a HDD to an SSD may be something else), I would like to get the source of this statement.

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1. Which drivers should I incorporate in the now Win 10 setup?

No one.

Zitat
2. Can I simply find the chipset driver in the working installation and copy it to a USB to include / specify during setup?

No resp. that wouldn't make any sense.
1. There are no Intel Chipset drivers available (just information=text files).
2. Your Intel Chipset will be automaticly detected by the Win10 Setup.

#21 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by nepaluz 04.01.2016 12:37

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #42

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Having done some google research, it seems the clean Win 10 installation on an Intel 530 series 240GB SSD fails due to drivers for the the Intel Chipset as the SSD is intermitently recognised by the setup program, and when the SSD is recognised, setup then fails at the next step saying there is no fixed drive to store temporary files to (I can not even delete or create partitions at that stage as it fails with an error!).
Since I really doubt, that this is true for a clean install onto any SSD (a cloning of the OS installation from a HDD to an SSD may be something else), I would like to get the source of this statement.

Strange as it may sound, it actually is true and I am not making anything up as I go along here! But yes, I 've previously tried cloning the HDD to SSD and as you allude the results were not positive. Look at this > link < . I at times get the last image in that article (having tweaked the BIOS settings and I suppose the SSD is not recognised). However, other times the SSD is recognised, even the partitions on it are recognised but when I try to install on the primary partition I get the error Windows Setup is unable to locate a valid hard drive to store temporary installation files. I can not even delete or create new partitions as it seems as soon as I try to setup magically looses the drive (and that is why I thought it is driver related).

In any case, if it is simply inf files, would I be able to get the inf file for the driver in the working installation and point it to setup at that stage? (there's an option on the setup screen to load drivers)

#22 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Fernando 04.01.2016 13:34

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Zitat von nepaluz im Beitrag #43
In any case, if it is simply inf files, would I be able to get the inf file for the driver in the working installation and point it to setup at that stage? (there's an option on the setup screen to load drivers)
I will attach the related INF file for your Intel 8-Series Haswell CPU system, but integrating or loading this file is wasted time, because
1. this file will not change anything regarding the detection of the SSD and
2. the Win10 image contains already all required informations to detect your Intel chipset.

Question:
Why dont you just try to do what I have proposed previously (don't forget to unplug the HDD before you start wih the Win10 installation)?
I am pretty sure, that you will succeed this way, and in the worst case (your SSD will not be detected) no data will be written onto your SSD.

#23 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by nepaluz 04.01.2016 13:55

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #44

Question:
Why dont you just try to do what I have proposed previously (don't forget to unplug the HDD before you start wih the Win10 installation)?
I am pretty sure, that you will succeed this way, and in the worst case (your SSD will not be detected) no data will be written onto your SSD.



@Fernando - thanks again for all the help.
I have actually done exactly as you suggested, I'll repeat the steps I've taken briefly below.
1. Downloaded the Win10 ISO image from TechBench (I actually found this very useful as I was downloading using a public PC where I could not run the media creaion tool!)
2. Burnt the image using Rufus (as you suggested) onto an 8GB SanDisk USB
3. Opened up my laptop, removed the HDD and replaced with the SSD - initially, the SSD did not have any partitions, but after consulting here and the install failing, I added one partition of 150GB. At first, I had not set that partition as active, and setup did not recognise the drive, I then went into the command prompt and made the partition active ... it was recognised and the process went further only to fail with the temporary files error I mentioned above.

I do NOT want to waste your or my time, but since you took the effort to post the inf file, I will try it as I have nothing to lose really.
Just a note: I have presently placed the SSD in the caddy I mentioned with the HDD replaced and booted up the laptop but the SSD is NOT recognised! When I attach it using a USB adapter, it is recognised, though as a removable drive (just thought I'd mention that).

#24 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Fernando 04.01.2016 14:05

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Zitat von nepaluz im Beitrag #45
I have presently placed the SSD in the caddy I mentioned with the HDD replaced and booted up the laptop but the SSD is NOT recognised!
You should connect the SSD with the "normal" SATA port, not with the caddy one. There should be no disk drive connected with your laptop except the SSD and the USB Flash drive containing the bootable Win10 image.
Furthermore should delete all partitions after Win10 Setup has detected your SSD and before you create any new partition.

#25 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by nepaluz 04.01.2016 14:48

I've re-run the setup just to be able to get some screenshots. This is the error I get when I try to delete the aprtition I previously created on the drive.
The error is: [Error:0x80070002]



EDIT: Also see > this post < for a very similar scenario.
If you want me to take any other screenshots, I'll oblige, just let me know (now I have the SSD in place)

#26 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Fernando 04.01.2016 15:01

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Zitat von nepaluz im Beitrag #47
The error is: [Error:0x80070002]
You can find >here< the possible reasons and how to solve it.
If this shouldn't help, I recommend to delete the existing partitions via Diskpart commands.
By the way: Your screenshot indicates, that there is currently no boot sector on your SSD.

#27 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by nepaluz 04.01.2016 15:09

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #48
Zitat von nepaluz im Beitrag #47
The error is: [Error:0x80070002]
You can find >here< the possible reasons and how to solve it.
If this shouldn't help, I recommend to delete the existing partitions via Diskpart commands.
By the way: Your screenshot indicates, that there is currently no boot sector on your SSD.


The possible solutions in the link do not apply as I am doing a clean install. I only have the SSD and the USB drive (I've even removed the DVD / CDROM drive!).
As per the edit on my last post, the link in that referenced post mentions that deleting partitions results in the drive not being recognised at all (which was my experience as noted previously), but for the sake of completeness, I'll try and delete the partitions. Also, i am not sure why the significance of the lack of a boot sector has, but if you can point me to how I can put one ther, I'll, again, be glad to try that too.

EDIT: - moved to next post

#28 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by nepaluz 04.01.2016 17:33

1. I removed the partitons, rebooted the USB and just as mentioned, the install failed to recognise the drive.



2. So I booted up the HDD, converted the drive to GPT via diskpart and added one 141GB partition which I did not format. When I replaced the HDD with the SSD in the laptop and booted up the USB, install seemed to go further that it has before, even creating an MSR partition! However, it will not install on the 141GB partition, neither is it able to create a new partition from the un-allocated 81GB. I am stumped!



I am now going to try converting the SSD back to NTFS and create a single partiton (seeing the disk is not recognised without an partition on it)

#29 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Fernando 04.01.2016 17:45

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@ nepaluz:
All your problems seem to be caused by either having chosen a wrong "Partition Scheme" while creating the bootable USB Flash drive by using the tool Rufus or by chosing the wrong (non-UEFI) device while selecting the bootable USB Flash Drive.
Questions:
1. Which "Partition Scheme" did you choose, when you ran Rufus?
2. Does your laptop support to boot in UEFI mode?
3. Are you able to run a "Boot Menu" by hitting an F key (F8, F11 etc) resp. can you select a specific boot device from within the BIOS?

#30 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by nepaluz 04.01.2016 17:56

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #51
@ nepaluz:
All your problems seem to be caused by either having chosen a wrong "Partition Scheme" while creating the bootable USB Flash drive by using the tool Rufus or by chosing the wrong (non-UEFI) device while selecting the bootable USB Flash Drive.
Questions:
1. Which "Partition Scheme" did you choose, when you ran Rufus?
2. Does your laptop support to boot in UEFI mode?
3. Are you able to run a "Boot Menu" by hitting an F key (F8, F11 etc) resp. can you select a specific boot device from within the BIOS?


1. I was following your instructions but Rufus did not have the exact option you mentioned that included GPT.
2. Yes, the laptop supports UEFI mode (also see below)
3. Yes I am able to to run a boot menu and abke to select a specific boot device from within BIOS (in fact, it detects the USB and lists it as a USB device with the option to enable USB device booting also offered)

From 2 (and 1 above) above, you may have a point as the laptop initially failed to boot from USB device until I changed boot options to allow Legacy support. So would you say rather than changing the partitions on the drive I should get the GPT / UEFI option while burning the USB?
PS. I'll boot the laptop up with the HDD in a moment and update you on the options Rufus offers before I go ahead with anything else.

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