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#1 [SOLVED] Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by nepaluz 02.01.2016 20:14

Hello Fernando, and thanks for posting this.

I am hopeful that this holds the key to resolving the issues I've had with upgrading a new laptop that comes with an OEM version of Windows 8.1 (now upgraded to Windows 10) with an Intel SSD drive as the OS drive.

The laptop is a Lenovo Flex and it shipped with a 1TH HDD which I'd like to replace with an Intel 530 series 240GB SSD as the OS drive, with the 1TH drive replacing the CDROM drive as the data drive (I've already got the caddy to convert the bay).

The problem I've experienced is that bootiing into recovery (which I burnt to an external HDD) or simply copying the the partitions from the 1TH drive to the SSD results in error which I believe is due to missing drivers for the SSD in the OEM image. The system has an Intel(R) 8 Series Chipset Family SATA AHCI Controller (verbatim from Device Manager)

1. Which Intel drivers do I need to incorporate into the images to be able to install onto the SSD.
2. I also went through the OP instructions (on a Windows 10 PC) but the process fails on loading he image with error 23. Any insight into what's happening?
3. I tried running NTLite on a Vista Business machine, but it dies a silent death, i.e I only get a prompt for elevation and nothing happens after, would you have any insight into this?

#2 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Nemo 02.01.2016 21:06

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@Nepaluz:

What happens if you remove the HDD from your Lenovo and make a clean install Win10.10586.0 (TH2) on the SSD without entering a license key?
Maybe your windows will be activated at once, as you already made an upgrade from Win8.1

Not necessary for a test but if you want to integrate actual patches look HERE for the latest information. This will lift your win10 to build 10586.36 at once.
Although in German I hope you'll be able to understand the information published there. Otherwise don't hesitate to ask.

I think Fernando (<--- "Prosit Neujahr!") will help you to find the right drivers.

Regards, Nemo

#3 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by nepaluz 02.01.2016 21:19

Zitat von Nemo im Beitrag #24
@Nepaluz:
What happens if you remove the HDD from your Lenovo and make a clean install Win10.10586.0 (TH2) on the SSD without entering a license key?
Maybe your windows will be activated at once, as you already made an upgrade from Win8.1



Maybe, but I have not tried doing that. Actually, I still have the recovery media from 8.1 and have not yet created one from the 10 install. But I think the key suggestion you have is whether Win10 would be activated, but I have the hurdle of not being able to even boot into windows when I install (via recovery media) on the SSD.

Zitat von Nemo im Beitrag #24

Not necessary for a test but if you want to integrate actual patches look HERE for the latest information. This will lift your win10 to build 10586.36 at once.
Although in German I hope you'll be able to understand the information published there. Otherwise don't hesitate to ask.



Thanks for the link. I'll read and try to understand what they are up to though I'd be content with even re-installing 8.1 on the SSD the "upgrading" again to 10 .... so long as I can install.

Zitat von Nemo im Beitrag #24

I think Fernando (<--- "Prosit Neujahr!") will help you to find the right drivers.

Regards, Nemo


That's my hope too. Of course, there's the option (documented as working) of using a non OEM install then re-installing any drivers shipped in the OEM from Lenovo's site, that would be messier than, IMO, injecting the required drivers into the OEM image.

Saying that, I have been unable to load the install.swm file(s) (there are five in total and NTLite wants to first convert them to wim!) but only managed to load the boot.wim file. Would adding the driver just to the boot.wim file suffice to have the driver copied over during install?

#4 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Nemo 02.01.2016 21:52

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@Nepaluz:
Try MS' Media Creation Tool for Win10 (change the link to your favourite language!) to get an official ISO or the opportunity to create a DVD or a bootable flash drive (~8 GB).
If you want to integrate patches or drivers the included .\sources\Install.esd must be converted to *.WIM. But that's the only disadvantage; you can even choose to get an AiO with x64 and x86.
And then make a test with your SSD as proposed above. Remove the existing HDD.

Regards , Nemo

#5 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by nepaluz 02.01.2016 22:37

@Nemo
Again, thanks for your input. I am aware of being able to download a Win10 ISO image from Microsoft, and I believe (as is documented for Win 8) that the install will be succesfull though with the caveat, for a clean install of Win 10, that we do not know whether Windows activation will work (not to mention the loss of Lenovo optimsations).
Thus my preference at this stage for the NTLite OEM install / boot driver modification route. I hope you understand.

#6 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Fernando 02.01.2016 22:54

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@ Nepaluz:
Welcome at Win-RAID Forum!

There is no need to add any drivers to the OS you want to get installed onto your new SSD. There is no difference regarding this point between a HDD and an SSD.
Here are my advices:
1. As Nemo already has proposed, I recommend to download the "November Edition" v1511 of your desired Win10 ISO file from >this< page (maybe you have to customize the url address to your language).
2. Create a bootable USB Flash drive containing the Win10 media by using the tool named Rufus.
3. Unplug your current system drive and attach the SSD instead.
4. Boot off the USB Flash drive and do a fresh install of Win10 onto the SSD.
Since you already have successfully upgraded from Win8.1 to Win10 with the exact same system (except the system drive), the clean Win10 installation will be automaticly activated by Microsoft via internet.
Believe me: It will work without any doubts. I have done it already very often.
By the way: If you install v1511 of Windows 10, you can even activate it directly by entering your Win8.1 CD-Key.

Good luck!
Dieter (alias Fernando)

#7 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by nepaluz 02.01.2016 23:12

@Fernando
Thanks for the input. Since you confirm that the activation will be automatic, then I am tempted to try the Win 10 ISO download. Just to clarify, since it is an OEM system, I do not have ANY keys at all neither do I have any install DVD or media for that matter, NOT even a sticker on the laptop with the code. The box contained just the laptop and the power adapter.
On a positive note, I could always fall back to the HDD should the activation on the newly installed SSD fail.

#8 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Fernando 02.01.2016 23:38

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Zitat von nepaluz im Beitrag #29
Just to clarify, since it is an OEM system, I do not have ANY keys at all neither do I have any install DVD or media for that matter, NOT even a sticker on the laptop with the code.
You can let a tool like the Magical Jelly Bean Keyfinder (>LINK<) read the hidden Win8.1 Key from the BIOS for you.

#9 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Nemo 03.01.2016 01:31

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... or save $30 and try another tool: Advanced Tokens Manager (ATM) on your present Win10 on HDD.
Make a restore if activation won't be successful after a clean install (without entering keys) on your SSD. It may be necessary to boot once or twice before activation will be shown.

Regards, Nemo

#10 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Fernando 03.01.2016 01:38

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Zitat von Nemo im Beitrag #31
... or save $30 and try another tool
The free version of the Magical Jelly Bean Keyfinder is able to recover the key for Windows 7, 8 and Office 2010.

#11 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Nemo 03.01.2016 13:28

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Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #32
... The free version of the Magical Jelly Bean Keyfinder is able to recover the key for Windows 7, 8 and Office 2010.

Did you test it? On the referrenced site it reads as "Recover product key for Windows 7, 8, 8.1 from BIOS No Yes"

But let's wait what @Nepaluz will tell us.

Regards, Nemo

#12 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Fernando 03.01.2016 13:49

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Zitat von Nemo im Beitrag #33
Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #32
... The free version of the Magical Jelly Bean Keyfinder is able to recover the key for Windows 7, 8 and Office 2010.

Did you test it? On the referrenced site it reads as "Recover product key for Windows 7, 8, 8.1 from BIOS No Yes"
No, I didn't yet test it, but on >this< page the developer says "Yes".
Note: This tool will not be able to recover the Win8.1 source key from within a running Win10. It may just present the generic universal Win10 key (Home key starting with TX9XD, PRO starting with VK7JG).

#13 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Nemo 03.01.2016 14:41

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Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #34
...No, I didn't yet test it, but on >this< page the developer says "Yes".
Note: This tool will not be able to recover the Win8.1 source key from within a running Win10. It may just present the generic universal Win10 key (Home key starting with TX9XD, PRO starting with VK7JG).
That's why I recommended ATM.
If @Nepaluz had asked earlier my advice would have been
- generating a GenunineTicket.xml on Win8.1 with <W10-DVD>\sources\GatherOSState.exe
- and after a cleanly installed Win10 injecting *.xml. I think you know my article on Win-Lite.de?!

Regards, Nemo

#14 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by nepaluz 03.01.2016 18:00

@Fernando and @Nemo
Thanks for all the input. Just wanted to provisionally update on progress.
I had to download the images from another location (bandwidth limits on my home access), but that proved impossible with the media creation tool as I was using a public PC that did not allow running downloaded programs. I therefore used the link that @Fernando gave and was able to download a single language Win10 (the laptop is a 64 bit but I downloaded both). Later today when I get free time, I'll open up the laptop, remove the HDD, install the SSD and Win10 64. I'll update as soon as I've I'm done.

PS. I've been following the conversation about getting the key. Since I already upgraded the shipped Win8.1 to Win10, I suppose the suggested routes will not work in my instance seeing they only apply for Win7/8/8.1 and not 10, or am I mistaken? After I've burnt the ISO, I'll check to see if I can generate the xml, but still, I think you refered to Win8 rather than Win10. Anyways, I'll keep you posted on both and thanks again for the all the input thus far.

#15 RE:Problems to get Win10 installed onto an Intel 530 SSD by Nemo 03.01.2016 19:36

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It's no use any longer (with Win10) to generate a GenuineTicket.xml!
May be it may work or not. I didn't test it.

After a test in Virtual Machine: It can't affect your current Win10 on HDD if you run GatherOSState.exe.
Copy <DVD>\sources\gatherosstate.exe to your desktop, let it generate GenuineTicket.xml and copy/save the *.xml to an external drive. If needed later for activation on SSD drop me a line. It may enhance my experience in those cases. I'll tell you how to proceed.

Try to get Adavanced Tokens Manager (ATM) NOW, run it on your HHD and save the generated files externally in order to have the license information and tokens as an assurance if activation wll fail on SSD.

If you're familiar with NTLite - I still work with Win Toolkit - try to integrate the two patches named on Win-Lite (Download with IE!) They lift the Build# from 10586.0 to 10586.36 and may decrease the time for installation if your bandwith to internet is poor.

Regards, Nemo

PS.
Editted several times after dinner.

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