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#1156 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for Intel Chipset systems from 6-Series up datum

Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:13 am (Last edited: Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:29 am)

Hi, I have an Acer Aspire VN7-591G-768L Notebook that has an M2 SSD slot but doesn't seem to support PCIE NVMEe

http://community.acer.com/t5/V-and-VN-Se...tro/td-p/351524
https://community.acer.com/t5/V-and-VN-S...pro/td-p/425744

Several threads from the Acer forum are pointing to this threas on Win-raid, but none give any conclusive answers of a succesful attempt to modify the Acer Aspire VN7-591G bios to include NVMe support.

I tried the first steps by

1. Downloading the latest bios firmware at:

https://www.acer.com/ac/nl/NL/content/su...roduct/5614?b=1
http://global-download.acer.com/GDFiles/...ACER&SC=EMEA_18

2. Extracting TLBI0115.fd from the dowloaded TLBI0115.exe firmware file with 7zip
3. Loading the TLBI0115.fd image file in MMTool

So far so good, but then there is no listed module named "CSMCORE" to be found.

I think that is because the bios the Acer Aspire VN7-591G-768L uses is not an AMI Aptio UEFI BIOS but instead an Insyde BIOS, which perhaps might not use CSMCore.

Any suggestions on where to go from here?

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#1157 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for Intel Chipset systems from 6-Series up datum

Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:51 am

@Morgain:
Welcome at Win-RAID Forum!
The fact, that you were able to open the BIOS file by using the AMI Aptio MMTool verifies, that the related BIOS file is an AMI Aptio BIOS.
Not all AMI Aptio UEFI BIOSes do contain a module named CSMCORE, especially not the new generation AMI Aptio V ones.

Zitat von Morgain im Beitrag #1156
Any suggestions on where to go from here?

The insertion of the NVMe module is not as easy as with an AMI Aptio IV BIOS.
The main questions are:
1. Where and how the NVMe module can be successfully inserted with the result, that the system will load it while booting?
2. How to get the modded BIOS properly flashed?
Maybe it will help, if you attach the BIOS, which had been extracted by you from the EXE file.

Happy New Year!
Dieter (alias Fernando)

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#1158 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for Intel Chipset systems from 6-Series up datum

Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:12 pm

Hello Fernando, thank you for your reply.

I have attached the extracted bios file to this message.
I hope it will be possible, cause I don't think Acer will ever add M.2 PCIE x4 NVMe support to the Aspire VN7-591G like they did with the newer Aspire VN7-592G.

And a Happy New Year to you too ofcourse!

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TLBI0115.zip

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#1159 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for Intel Chipset systems from 6-Series up datum

Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:48 pm

My previous answer to you got me an idea to also post the bios firmware of the newer Acer Aspire VN7-592G in which Acer included NVMe support.
Maybe that wil help in getting NVMe support easier into the VN7-591G bios :)

https://www.acer.com/ac/nl/NL/content/su...roduct/6403?b=1
http://global-download.acer.com/GDFiles/...ACER&SC=EMEA_18

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RayS112.zip

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#1160 | RE: Full NVMe support for older Intel Chipsets possible! datum

Sat Dec 31, 2016 4:51 pm (Last edited: Sat Dec 31, 2016 6:45 pm)

Hi Dieter (aka Fernando)

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #1138
You may have to load the Samsung NVMe driver v2.0.0.1607 to get the SSD detected by the Windows Setup.

Of course! It will be done as soon as the BIOS detects, lists or in somehow recognizes the SSD drive. Till then there is not much to do sadly.
Unfortunately I must give up. I have ordered a new board which natively support NVMe, and many other modern features.

Good luck with you mission. Have a great 2017!
Franco (aka Francesco)

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#1161 | RE: Full NVMe support for older Intel Chipsets possible! datum

Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:26 pm

Zitat von Francesco im Beitrag #1160
It will be done as soon as the BIOS detects, lists or in somehow recognizes the SSD drive.

It is not easy to verify whether the BIOS has detected the NVMe SSD, because usually the name of the NVMe SSD is not listed within the BIOS.
The only name you may find there is "Windows Boot Manager".

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#1162 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for Intel Chipset systems from 6-Series up datum

Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:29 pm (Last edited: Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:33 pm)

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #1155
Zitat von Camccardell im Beitrag #1154
Yes, I have enabled and disabled fast boot.
You should completely disable the "Fast Boot" settings.
Zitat
didn't see an option for secure boot.
I have seen this option on the undermost of your last pictures. It is very important to disable it. You have to hit on the arrow before the option to get access to the details.

The secure boot menu doesn't let you disable it. It only lets you make a selection on to what system you are booting.

i have tried both options. no luck. I have also tried disabling the csm. I can't even boot from a usb drive when I do. it gives me the error and states that I need to activate it in the bios to continue.

Ideas?

Is it possible that the 960 evo is too new? Is the NvmExpressDxe module in the bios need to be updated to a newer version? I am up for anything at this point.

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#1163 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for Intel Chipset systems from 6-Series up datum

Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:53 pm

Theres a newer version. I just never got around to converting it. I would start off with the Clover USB key idea first and see if that works for you.

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#1164 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for Intel Chipset systems from 6-Series up datum

Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:56 am (Last edited: Sun Feb 12, 2017 10:30 pm)

@Camccardell:
Your attached picture verifies clearly, that your current "Secure Boot state" is "Enabled", and I suspect, that this is the reason why you cannot boot off the NVMe SSD.

Zitat von Camccardell im Beitrag #1162
The secure boot menu doesn't let you disable it. It only lets you make a selection on to what system you are booting.

There must be an option to get the "Secure Boot state" shown as "Disabled" (either by choosing the "Other OS" option or by entering the subsection "Key Management").

Zitat von Camccardell im Beitrag #1162
Is it possible that the 960 evo is too new?

I don't think, that your problem has anything to do with the age of the NVMe SSD.

Zitat
Is the NvmExpressDxe module in the bios need to be updated to a newer version?

If you or anyone else want to test a newer NVME BIOS module, which had been compiled by the Clover Team at 09/28/2016 and customized by SoniX and me, you can insert the attached NvmExpressDxE.ffs module instead of the one, which is linked within the start post of this thread.

EDIT: The attached NVMe module has been removed, because the start post contains now a better new NVMe module.

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#1165 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for Intel Chipset systems from 6-Series up datum

Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:13 pm

After having success getting my system to boot from the Samsung 950 Pro, I started looking at some performance data. I am not certain we are getting the expected performance from a modified BIOS. I added a brand new Samsung 850 EVO SATA drive to a SATA 3 port on the MB. Then I ran the Samsung performance tests from Samsung Magician (latest version). The "Rapid Mode" is enabled for the 850, Rapid mode is not available for the 950 Pro. One other variable is that I am booted off of the 950 Pro so there is other activity mixed into the numbers where the 850 EVO is not being accessed by anything else other than the performance test. I am still looking into this as I can afford the time, but I thought I would share this result for thoughtful discussion here.

I am attempting to attach a screen shot here:

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#1166 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for Intel Chipset systems from 6-Series up datum

Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:34 pm (Last edited: Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:18 pm)

@David359:
Your benchmark comparison test is absolutely misleading, because you compared at least the speed of an SSD (Samsung 950 Pro) with the speed of your Memory sticks.
Although the Samsung Magician's data caching feature named "Rapid Mode" gives the users incredibly high synthetic benchmark results, it does not boost the real SSD performance. You can verify it by measuring the time, which both SSDs need for the READING resp WRITING of an extremely big sized file.
Samsung's "Rapid Mode" has no detectable boost effect on the system performance while doing the daily work - the benchmark results you get are just an illusion of a performance explosion.
If you want to compare the speed of an NVMe SSD with a SATA SSD, you should not run the SATA SSD with enabled "Rapid Mode".

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#1167 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for Intel Chipset systems from 6-Series up datum

Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:38 pm (Last edited: Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:52 pm)

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #1157
Maybe it will help, if you attach the BIOS, which had been extracted by you from the EXE file.

Hi Dieter,
I've attached the bios to my previous message, what are your thoughts about inserting the NVMe module?

Best wishes for the new year!

EDIT by Fernando: Unneeded parts of the fullyquoted post removed (to save space)

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#1168 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for Intel Chipset systems from 6-Series up datum

Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:59 pm

Zitat von Morgain im Beitrag #1167
I've attached the bios to my previous message, what are your thoughts about inserting the NVMe module?

The file you have uploaded is obviously corrupt.
The UEFITool declares it as "invaid" and none of the AMI Aptio UEFI MMTools (for Aptio IV and V) are able to open the file.

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#1169 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for Intel Chipset systems from 6-Series up datum

Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:46 pm (Last edited: Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:58 pm)

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #1168
The file you have uploaded is obviously corrupt.
The UEFITool declares it as "invaid" and none of the AMI Aptio UEFI MMTools (for Aptio IV and V) are able to open the file.

Which of the two do you mean, the first bios file of that I posted of the VN7-591G which I laptop own myself?
Or the second bios file I posted, which is for the newer VN7-592G which has NVMe support integrated?
I myself can open the VN7-591G bios file with MMtools but when I try to open the VN7-592G it looks empty.
I attached the screenshots to this message.

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#1170 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for Intel Chipset systems from 6-Series up datum

Mon Jan 02, 2017 10:00 pm

Zitat von Morgain im Beitrag #1169
Which of the two do you mean, the first bios file of that I posted of the VN7-591G which I laptop own myself?

I meant the BIOS file named RayS112.fd.

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