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#3361 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:38 pm (Last edited: Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:41 pm)

Zitat von gil im Beitrag #3356
2. I have a Win10 installation USB media, created by Windows Installation Media Creation Tool

If you used the Microsoft Windows Media Creation Tool to create your Windows 10 installation USB flash drive, then this could be a problem, as Fernando's guide is very clear about using Rufus to create the Windows 10 installation USB flash drive.

If you flash the modded BIOS correctly you will see something like "PATA" or "PATA-SS" in the boot section of the BIOS. This "PATA" or "PATA-SS" is not bootable; it's only evidence that your BIOS now recognizes the NVMe SSD. After correctly installing Windows 10 using the Rufus created USB flash drive in UEFI mode (with all recommended settings in the BIOS, and no other drives connected), �Windows Boot Manager� (or sometimes even �Microsoft Windows�) will be an option in the boot section of the BIOS. These "Windows" entries in the boot section of the BIOS are bootable, and only in UEFI mode.

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#3362 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:23 pm

Hi Fernando. Please do not pay attention to my english, I am from Russia and use Google translator. My question to you is this: will I work with NVMe on my motherboard "MSI Z97-G43" I want to buy the adapter "JEYI CoolSwift PCIE3.0 NVME adapter x16 PCI-E" and insert it into the slot for the video card pci-e 3.0 x16 SSD "Samsung 970 EVO "Can I make it bootable for installing windows?

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#3363 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:16 pm

@FighterForLove:
Welcome to the Win-RAID Forum!
I am pretty sure, that the procedure of the start post will work for you, if the original BIOS of your Intel 9-Series chipset mainboard shouldn't natively support NVMe.
If you want to install Windows 7 onto your NVMe SSD, don't forget to integrate the related MS NVMe Hotfix into the Win7 image.

Good luck!
Dieter (alias Fernando)

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#3364 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:47 pm (Last edited: Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:51 pm)

Hi Fernando & everyone else

I was told at a store today that I should buy a Samsung 970 EVO,
put it on a Startech x4 PCI Express to M.2 PCIe SSD Adapter Card
in the PCIe(8) lane on my ASUS P9X79 Motherboard with a 3960X
CPU and I could then use it as boot/OS-disk for Windows 7-10 ...

But I suspect that some extra steps has to be taken; right ? Help !

NB :
3960X is only a PCIe 2.0 CPU so will that "slow trait" influence on
the performance of the M.2 card or cripple an 980Ti/1080Ti GPU .
And what speeds on disk will I see with this "hardware-mixture" ?

PS : I dont use (or plan to use) any RAID-configurations ...

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#3365 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:03 pm

@TVD:
Welcome to the Win-RAID Forum!

Zitat von TVD im Beitrag #3361
Hi Fernando & everyone else I suspect that some extra steps has to be taken; right ?

No, you can just follow the guide (= start post of this thread).

Zitat von TVD im Beitrag #3361
And what speeds on disk will I see with this "hardware-mixture" ?

You may not get the maximum, but anyway an outstanding good performance.

Good luck!
Dieter (alias Fernando)

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#3366 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:14 pm (Last edited: Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:17 pm)

Dear Fernando, Thank you very much for the guide! I have changed the BIOS and it shows PATA SS in the BIOS boot options successfully!

Here is my system:
MB: ASUS P8H67-M PRO
OS: Win7 X64 Ultimate
BIOS: AHCI enabled
1st Boot drive: SATA SSD, MBR mode
2nd drive: PCIe NVMe drive

Here is my question:
My win7 didn�t recognize my PCIe NVMe drive until I found the hotfix from Microsoft and installed it. After that, I can see my NVMe drive in windows.
However, I want to make it the boot drive, so I download AOMEI Backupper and cloned from SATA to NVMe drive.
I unplugged SATA and chose PATA SS to boot, still got no boot device error.

Can you please shed some light here? I really don�t want to reinstall Windows and all my programs!

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#3367 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:21 pm

@shawn:
Welcome to the Win-RAID Forum!

Zitat von shawn im Beitrag #3363
I unplugged SATA and chose PATA SS to boot, still got no boot device error.

You will never be able to boot off the Boot Manager entry "PATA SS", because this means booting in Legacy mode. You can only boot into your NVMe SSD in UEFI mode.

Zitat von shawn
I really don�t want to reinstall Windows and all my programs!

How often do you change the system drive? This event is a very good opportunity to get rid of all the garbage from the past years.
In any case you have to start the Win7 installation in UEFI from scratch by using an OS image with integrated MS NVMe Hotfix.
Once the OS installation onto the NVMe SSD has been completed, you can recover your drive C by replacing the just installed OS partition by the backuped one, but this is not the procedure I recommend to choose.

Regards
Dieter (alias Fernando)

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#3368 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:57 pm

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #3364

Once the OS installation onto the NVMe SSD has been completed, you can recover your drive C by replacing the just installed OS partition by the backuped one, but this is not the procedure I recommend to choose.

Thank you for the reply!
My OS hasn't been changed for over 5 years and I know there are a lot of garbage, but it still works. Reinstall the OS is not a problem, but reinstalling all my programs will take a long time. I actually replaced at least 2 SSDs for the boot driver in the past by cloning, with minimum issues.

I am interested in the idea of "replacing the just installed OS partition by the backuped one". Is there a guide for that?
Thanks a lot!

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#3369 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:34 pm

Zitat von shawn im Beitrag #3365
I am interested in the idea of "replacing the just installed OS partition by the backuped one". Is there a guide for that?

I don't have written such guide, because I neither tried nor recommend such procedure.

The problem is, that your currently used boot sector is a LEGACY one (with a Master Boot Record) and boots in LEGACY mode off a SATA connected SSD by using an MS or Intel AHCI driver, whereas the new boot sector has to be an EFI one (with a GUIMode Partition Table) and has to boot in UEFI mode off a PCIe connected NVMe SSD using the generic MS NVMe driver.
So you have
a) to convert the partition scheme of your currently used system drive to GPT and
b) to replace the currently used system drive storage driver from AHCI to NVMe (requires changes within the registry),
before you can clone your currently used drive C.

My current System:
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#3370 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:58 pm (Last edited: Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:04 pm)

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #3366
So you have
a) to convert the partition scheme of your currently used system drive to GPT and
b) to replace the currently used system drive storage driver from AHCI to NVMe (requires changes within the registry),
before you can clone your currently used drive C.

Wow! It sounds VERY complicated! It might be possible for Windows 10, but the one I am using is Win 7...
I think I am giving up at the moment. Maybe eventually I will start from scratch in the future!
Thanks again for your help!

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#3371 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:36 pm (Last edited: Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:38 pm)

Confirmed to work on MSI 970 Gaming motherboard with AMD FX-8350 CPU and Samsung 970 Evo 500G .
I followed your guide on Linux and got >UEFITool< from the official GitHub repo.
Since the M-Flash tool inside the Bios just freezes when trying to Flash the custom Bios file (also happens with unmodified Bios and different usb flash drives) I opted for >Flashrom< (some good >documentation<) to flash directly from the OS.

My PC boots now in like 3 seconds and big applications like Libreoffice start super fast. Now is my CPU the biggest bottleneck in my system between the SSD and the GTX 970 but I'll wait for 7nm CPUs.

Thanks for the guide!

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#3372 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:44 pm

@LegoVogeL:
Welcome to the Win-RAID Forum and thanks for your feedback!
It is fine, that you succeeded.
Enjoy the performance of your new NVMe SSD as system drive!
Dieter (alias Fernando)

My current System:
MB: ASRock X570 Pro4, CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600, System Drive: 500 GB Samsung 980 Pro, Graphics: Sapphire Radeon RX570, OS: Win10 x64 Pro
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#3373 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:27 pm

More success on an Asus P8B WS motherboard adding the "NvmExpressDxe_4" driver to the latest available BIOS from ASUS. I am using a Samsung 970 EVO NVMe SSD with Asus Hyper PCIe adapter.

As a note: At first attempt my BIOS got corrupted and the system did not boot at all (off course�). So the �Flashrom� utility installed on my Raspberry Pi saved the day.

Happy modding and thanks for the Tutorial!

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#3374 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:35 pm

@Asterix:
Welcome to the Win-RAID Forum and thanks for your feedback!
It is fine, that you succeeded.
Enjoy it!
Dieter (alias Fernando)

My current System:
MB: ASRock X570 Pro4, CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600, System Drive: 500 GB Samsung 980 Pro, Graphics: Sapphire Radeon RX570, OS: Win10 x64 Pro
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#3375 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:47 pm (Last edited: Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:48 pm)

Guys, I got a bit of a strange situation with Samsung 970 EVO on a Asus Maximus VIII Impact Z170 board.
The board supports NVMe out of the box, however via a u.2 connector. So far I have been using a Samsung 950 Pro via an m.2 to u.2 adapter without any problems.
However with the 970 EVO connected, more often than not it will not boot displaying POST code E5 ('Reserved for future AMI progress codes') - not really helpful.
It did manage to boot a few times - like 1 in 20 times and works well until the next reboot.
One thing that I want to try is to replace the NVMe bios module with the newest 'NvmExpressDxe_4' module.
If you have any other ideas please let me know.

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