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#3151 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:15 pm

Zitat von iX-9 im Beitrag #3147
So, if 960EVO is that "very few" SSD, should be legacy bootable in old system?

I really doubt it.
AFAIK only the much older Samsung 950 Pro has an NVMe Option ROM, which allows booting in LEGACY mode. I have no idea why you were able to do it with a Samsung 960 EVO SSD.

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#3152 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:17 pm (Last edited: Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:19 pm)

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #3146
@lime:
Thanks for the clarification.
To be able to see the NVMe SSD within the BIOS (as "PATA_SS"), the related SSD has to be inserted into a matching PCIe slot.

Was tinkering with the BIOS this whole time after replying back. Literally found where CSM was hidden in, it was in the OS section, had to change from "Other OS" to Windows 8 or windows 8 WHQL to show up. I'm using win 10. If i use a samsung 970 pro, from the clarification
"Note: Some NVMe SSDs like Samsung's 950 Pro SSD are natively bootable in LEGACY mode (CSM and loading of Option ROMs has to be enabled within the BIOS), because their Controller chip contains its own NVMe supporting Option ROM module.

Enter the BIOS and navigate to the "BOOT" section and - if applicable - the "SECURITY" or "Keys" section.
Make sure, that the "Secure Boot" and "Fast Boot" options are disabled. The "Compatibility Support Module" (CSM) should be set to "Disabled" as well (requires full UEFI compatibility of the graphics adapter) or to "Enabled" with the ability/preference to load EFI BIOS modules for the Storage Disk Drives."

Sorry again, I'm like literally lost because i feel like this contradicts what you wrote... CSM needs to be enabled right for samsungs NVMe ssds to work correct? but if the 2nd section says to set it to disabled... or was it to ENABLED, like i said before. I just want to reiterate that i have loaded the EFI module into the BIOS file so essentially, all i have to do is obtain the NVMe SSD and set BIOS settings, SECURE BOOT AND FAST BOOT to DISABLED and CSM to ENABLED and LEGACY OpRom enabled too right?

Sorry. I'm literally a guy that has hard time understanding. Too little foundation in this type of stuff.

Current Specs: CPU: Intel Core I7 9700k, MB: EVGA Z370 Micro , Video Card: Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti FE, Storage: Samsung 970 evo plus 500GB, Heatsink: Noctua NH-D14, Case: Caselabs S5, OS: Win10 Edu x64

Past Specs: CPU: Intel Core I7 4770k, MB: G1 Sniper M5 LGA 1150 Z87, Video Card: Galaxy GTX 780, Storage: Samsung 840 Pro 128GB, WD 1TB Black, Heatsink: Noctua NH-D14, Case: Caselabs S5, OS: Win10 Edu x64

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#3153 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:23 pm (Last edited: Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:08 pm)

@Lost_N_BIOS:
oh wow, you seem to of had this board possibly? I had the setting set before on "OTHER OS", when i went to win8 or win8 WHQL it shows up. Thanks, so what do think settings i should change to make sure its on point or optimal for it to be able to boot 100% for a samsung 970 pro NVMe ssd, CSM enabled, Legacy OpRom enabled, Secure boot disabled and fast boot disabled?

Current Specs: CPU: Intel Core I7 9700k, MB: EVGA Z370 Micro , Video Card: Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti FE, Storage: Samsung 970 evo plus 500GB, Heatsink: Noctua NH-D14, Case: Caselabs S5, OS: Win10 Edu x64

Past Specs: CPU: Intel Core I7 4770k, MB: G1 Sniper M5 LGA 1150 Z87, Video Card: Galaxy GTX 780, Storage: Samsung 840 Pro 128GB, WD 1TB Black, Heatsink: Noctua NH-D14, Case: Caselabs S5, OS: Win10 Edu x64

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#3154 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:39 pm

I don't have that board, but had similar G1 Sniper H6 and one of the X58 Snipers too, and knew BIOS was similar. I'm very familiar with BIOS editing, so I looked it up for you real quick when I noticed your question about it.
As for what's best choice for you, I am not one to comment on that, that's better left up to the other pro's here who know best. If you ever need updated modified BIOS, let me know I can help with that

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#3155 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:25 pm

I confirm 960 Evo (mine have latest firmware) work on legacy mode, i test it on a Panasonic CF-19 Mk2 Thougbook : No problem.

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#3156 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:29 am (Last edited: Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:16 am)

Zitat von DoZe im Beitrag #3152
I confirm 960 Evo (mine have latest firmware) work on legacy mode, i test it on a Panasonic CF-19 Mk2 Thougbook : No problem.

Thanks for confirmation! Maybe Fernando comes to believe... :-)
Now just make it work with old GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD4H...

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#3157 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:12 am (Last edited: Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:02 am)

Sorry again, thanks to you Lost_N_BIOS and Fernando for the help, i was reading up on stuff throughout this page and couple others for other modifications and was looking up terms like "GPT, UEFI, and so forth" found in order to boot my 840 Pro in UEFI, change how my partitions were, obviously back then it was MBR, so i found a article and use admin command prompt and inserted 2 copies and paste commands and boom voila, all i had to do was next check to see if it would boot afterwards and it did. I did went to the UEFI and changed CSM from Always to Never, there is no DISABLED feature. Here are my settings down below.

I noticed couple things...
1. The OS loads from the Gigabyte main screen now with a loading sign rather than after the Gigabyte main screen -> Windows Logo and loading sign.
2. It is like 1.5-3 seconds faster loading now and i don't see a blue screen while restarting PC :D, its just complete black and goes to a screen for my system password for my motherboard i set.
3. There is now a drive E:/ shared with my Samsung 840 Pro for reserved with close to 500MB space empty.

What i did for the reserved drive was i went to disk management and right click Change Drive Letter and Paths.. and then press Remove button and Press yes. From what it said for removing the drive, it just takes out the letter but i guess it places the partition in the C:/ drive somewhere i guess. Bwam, voila, reserve space is gone, back to my Good Ole' 2 drives and i rechecked my UEFI settings and checked that it will still booted after restarting. It did.

Only thing left i don't understand is Samsung SSD's require the use of CSM enabled? Intel says for their 900P instruction installation, they don't require anything much for windows 8.1, 10 but for windows 7 however it requires CSM enabled.

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Current Specs: CPU: Intel Core I7 9700k, MB: EVGA Z370 Micro , Video Card: Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti FE, Storage: Samsung 970 evo plus 500GB, Heatsink: Noctua NH-D14, Case: Caselabs S5, OS: Win10 Edu x64

Past Specs: CPU: Intel Core I7 4770k, MB: G1 Sniper M5 LGA 1150 Z87, Video Card: Galaxy GTX 780, Storage: Samsung 840 Pro 128GB, WD 1TB Black, Heatsink: Noctua NH-D14, Case: Caselabs S5, OS: Win10 Edu x64

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#3158 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:14 am

Zitat von lime im Beitrag #3154
Only thing left i don't understand is Samsung SSD's require the use of CSM enabled?

With some mainboards and their hardware configuration it is easier to get the NVe SSD bootable after having ENABLED the "Compatibility Support Module", but this BIOS setting is not really required, if all needed EFI DXE Drivers are present within the currently flashed BIOS.

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#3159 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:42 pm

Little digging in a BIOS of new Gigabyte AORUS Gaming 7, witch is able to boot Samsung EVO960 in LEGACY mode: there is no NVME_Expres_DXE, BUT these: NvmeInt13, NvmeDynamicSetup, Nvme, NvmeSmm.
What if I put these into 7-series BIOS (or just some of them), instead of Nvme_Express ??
I believe, NvmeInt13 has something to do with Legacy boot...

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#3160 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:49 pm

@iX-9:
Tried similar with my ASRock 990 extreme3 as seen in post 3110. No joy!

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#3161 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:25 pm

Because I have dual-bios, it is not too much risk to try it, is'nt? Maybe I break it??
But first, I have one question about extracting modules using UefiTool: should I use "Extract as is" or "Extract body" option?? Whats difference?

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#3162 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:12 pm

@iX-9:
Why do you want to extract modules from another BIOS? You will need more free space within the DXE Driver Volume of your BIOS and will not get any benefit.

Zitat von iX-9 im Beitrag #3158
Should I use "Extract as is" or "Extract body" option?? Whats difference?

When you choose the "Extract body" option, you will not get the entire DXE Driver module (the header with the GUID will be missing).

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#3163 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:28 pm

Why extract modules from another BIOS? Becauce that BIOS is able to LEGACY boot EVO960! And THAT I want...

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#3164 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:20 pm

@iX-9:
Now I understand why some users can boot off the Samsung 960 EVO in LEGACY mode, although the SSD itself doesn't contain an NVMe Option ROM.
It would be fine, if you offer the extracted NVMe Option ROM module within this Forum for the public.

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#3165 | RE: [Guide] How to get full NVMe support for all Systems with an AMI UEFI BIOS datum

Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:57 pm

Hi!
Here in attachment are extracted NVME FFS files from F4G BiOS of Gigabyte X470 Aorus Gaming 7 WiFi mobo.
This mobo IS ABLE to boot Samsung EVO960 SSD in Legacy mode! And of course, in UEFI mode too...
Probably is able to boot any SSD in Legacy mode (I can confirm only EVO960).
Maybe someone will try to add Legacy boot support to another motherboad!
I will definitely to try this on 7-Series Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD4H, just when I will have enought time...

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NVME_ffs_(Extracted from GA-X470AG7W.F4G BiOS).rar

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