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#16 | RE: which raid drivers with Z77 datum

Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:58 pm (Last edited: Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:11 am)

@ 100PIER:

When I started my OS installation in UEFI mode, my procedure differed regarding the following ponts:

documentation of my old BIOS setting
preparation of a bootable USB flash drive with the Windows OS I wanted to install
Note: I used Microsoft's Win7 USB-DVD Tool, but had to convert the file system to FAT32. It is much easier with the tool named Rufus, for details look >here<.
preparation of a separate USB flash drive containing just the 64bit Intel RST(e) drivers v12.7.0.1036 WHQL.
break of my old "LEGACY" RAID0 array and secure erase of both SSDs by using the Parted Magic Boot CD.
clear of CMOS
power off completely the computer after having flashed the updated BIOS for about 1 Minute

Additional remarks:

Please remember, that I am running Windows 8 (64bit Edition) and not Windows 7.
You will only be able to install Win7/Win8 in UEFI mode, if you either don't have inserted any discrete graphics card or the in-use graphics card has a special GOP BIOS, which supports the UEFI mode.
It is always a good idea to unplug all unneeded drives while starting a fresh OS Installation onto a RAID array.

Now to your separate question:
When you update any PCI ROM module or the SataDriver module, it i not necessary to remove the old one. This only will make sence, if you get a message, that there is not enough space within the BIOS (section).

By the way: These are my current BIOS settings within the BOOT section of my BIOS (the option "CSM" has been set to "DISABLED").

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#17 | RE: which raid drivers with Z77 datum

Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:01 pm

Hi Fernando,
Many thanks for your guideline.
I have done step 1 and 2.
However at step 2 i have first converted via CDburnerXP the W7 64 bits DVD (i have no SP1 on the DVD) to an .iso file because only a future release of Rufus will offer the DVD conversion to iso. Rufus needs .iso as entry file.
Rufus is a great tool (however did not recogized my USB 3.0 SupertTalent key. I have had to use a legacy USB 2.0 key).
Is for the parameter for "Partition scheme & target system type" the selection "GPT partition scheme for UEFI computer" the good one ? (there are 2 others possible sélections)
Why did you have to use file system FAT32 instead of NTFS ?
Step 3: why did you need a separate USB flash drive containing the 64 iRST driver v12.7.0.1036 WHQL ? When did you need to use it ?

After step 6 can you detail more the procedure (parameters , you suggest to remove my NVIDIA 670 GTX ? how can i dialogue with the PC ? what to do or not to do ..)

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#18 | RE: which raid drivers with Z77 datum

Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:42 pm (Last edited: Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:43 pm)

Zitat von 100PIER im Beitrag #17
Is for the parameter for "Partition scheme & target system type" the selection "GPT partition scheme for UEFI computer" the good one ? (there are 2 others possible sélections)

Yes, that is the partition scheme, if you want to install Win7 in clean UEFI mode (CSM disabled within the BIOS).

Zitat von 100PIER
Why did you have to use file system FAT32 instead of NTFS ?

Because you will get the "USB Drive (UEFI)" option as bootable drive only with a FAT32 formatted drive.

Zitat von 100PIER
Step 3: why did you need a separate USB flash drive containing the 64 iRST driver v12.7.0.1036 WHQL ?

Because you will have to load these drivers at the beginning of the Win7 installation. Otherwise Win7 Setup will not be able to detect your RAID array. This has something to do with the new features of the v12 SataDriver and RAID drivers.

Zitat von 100PIER
The I When did you need to use it ?

Just after the beginning of the Win7 installation, when you have to decide where you want to get it installed.

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After step 6 can you detail more the procedure (parameters , you suggest to remove my NVIDIA 670 GTX ? how can i dialogue with the PC ? what to do or not to do ..)

No, I didn't suggest to remove your NVIDIA 670 GTX graphics card, but your graphics card needs a GOP "driver" (=special VBIOS for the UEFI mode). Otherwise you will not be able to get Win7 installed in clean UEFI mode (CSM disabled). I know, that many manufacturers of the NVIDIA 670 GTX are offering a special GOP "driver" for their cards. Get it and flash it into your graphics card before you start with the OS installation.
By the way: I don't have this problem, because I don't use a discrete graphics card at all. The iGPU doesn't need a separate GOP "driver", because it is already within the mainboard BIOS.

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#19 | RE: which raid drivers with Z77 datum

Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:35 pm

@Fernando
Oh many thanks, more clear now.

I am now going to get the "GOP" "driver" for my eVGA 670 GTX graphic card, i assume this GPU BIOS flashing update is compatible with the 'legacy' PC configuration and this patch is 'reversible'...
To be clear I assume if i apply it and if then i have to rollback to a previous configuration my graphic card will be always running well ?
I let you know the experience..

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#20 | RE: which raid drivers with Z77 datum

Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:40 pm (Last edited: Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:40 pm)

Zitat von 100PIER im Beitrag #19
I am now going to get the "GOP" "driver" for my eVGA 670 GTX graphic card, i assume this GPU BIOS flashing update is compatible with the 'legacy' PC configuration and this patch is 'reversible'...
To be clear I assume if i apply it and if then i have to rollback to a previous configuration my graphic card will be always running well ?

Since I do not have any own experience with the graphics card GOP driver, you should ask the manufacturer of the card.

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#21 | RE: which raid drivers with Z77 datum

Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:22 am

Hi Fernando,
Some progress on Graphic card.
I got from eVGA Technical Support a special "UEFI BIOS" for the EVGA 670 GTX FTW, they provided me a utility to flash this new BIOS. This "UEFI BIOS" is compatible with "legacy" and "uefi" mode. At any time we can come back to the original BIOS version with NVIDIA flash tool such as NVFLASH.exe.
So, currently in "legacy mode" the card is working as well as with original bios.

On other side i am stopped on this issue:
As you know CD/DVD are no longer detected in boot sequence when using 12.7 OROM RAID. So, i can"t select a ACRONIS CD/DVD boot to do backup.
Please, can you confirm me you get the same issue with UEFI mode and 12.7 sata driver ?
Do you think this is only a 'temporary' bug to be fixed soon or is it a "feature" of this technology ?

The workaround i thought was to replace the CD boot with a USB boot.
So, using RUFUS application i tried to convert the .iso file used to create the CD boot to a USB boot file. No success, RUFUS does not recognize the .iso file structure !

So, what do you suggest ?

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#22 | RE: which raid drivers with Z77 datum

Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:17 am

Zitat von 100PIER im Beitrag #21
As you know CD/DVD are no longer detected in boot sequence when using 12.7 OROM RAID. So, i can"t select a ACRONIS CD/DVD boot to do backup.
Please, can you confirm me you get the same issue with UEFI mode and 12.7 sata driver ?

Yes, I am not able to boot off any non-UEFI CD/DVD unless I have set the SATAController to AHCI mode and switched from UEFI to LEGACY mode. But your experience, that you are not able to boot off any CD/DVD, is caused by a bug either of the Intel RAID ROM v12.7.0.1936 or of the Intel RST(e) Drivers v12.x.x.xxxx.

Zitat von 100PIER
Do you think this is only a 'temporary' bug to be fixed soon or is it a "feature" of this technology ?

Your current problem hopefully will be solved by the next Intel RST Drivers/OROM module, but the boot limitations regarding non-UEFI media after having set the BIOS to a clean UEFI Mode, is a disadvantage of the UEFI mode settings.

Zitat von 100PIER
So, what do you suggest ?

Acronis TrueImage (not even the newest version) doesn't support the GPT partition table. So you have to decide anyway either to stick with your LEGACY mode Win7 installation or to use another sort of backup software. Why don't you use the Win7 backup option? You can let Win7 save complete partitions and store it on any separate (extern) HDD. This was the way I have done it as long as I used Win7.
Another thought: What about an upgrade to Windows 8.1? This is the actual Windows OS and a much better basis for a switch from the LEGACY to the UEFI Installation mode.

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#23 | RE: which raid drivers with Z77 datum

Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:57 pm

Fernando:
What do you call exactly "UEFI CD/DVD" ?
Is it the firmware device (hardware) to be UEFI compliant ?
or is it the media format structure to be "UEFI compliant" ?
or is it the content of the media to be written in respect of UEFI specifications ?
or is it a mix of all these items ?

What do you call a "clean" UEFI mode ? Are you speaking of OS only or OS plus hardware ? Is a PC may be more or less "UEFI" ? Or is "UEFI" only a way of the OS is intalled ?

I see sometimes you refer to "UEFI ANNEX" in bios , is it the same thing as "Launch EFI shell from system device" in EXIT menu ? or "UEFI/Legacy Boot" option in BOOT menu ?

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#24 | What means "UEFI Mode" installation of an OS? datum

Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:20 pm

Zitat von 100PIER im Beitrag #23
What do you call exactly "UEFI CD/DVD" ?

This is an optical drive, which is shown in the boot order with the Suffix "(UEFI)". It contains a media like a Win7 or Win8 installation image, which does fully support the UEFI mode (e.g. has a special folder named "efi" etc.).

Zitat von 100PIER
What do you call a "clean" UEFI mode ?

An installation of an OS like Windows 8 without using the "Compatibility System Module" (CSM) of the BIOS at all, that means the CSM option within the BOOT section has to be set to DISABLED, before starting with the OS installation. The OS Installation in "clean UEFI mode" will only succeed, if the hardware of the system (inclusive the discrete graphics Card) is completely UEFI compatible.

Zitat von 100PIER
I see sometimes you refer to "UEFI ANNEX" in bios , is it the same thing as "Launch EFI shell from system device" in EXIT menu ? or "UEFI/Legacy Boot" option in BOOT menu ?

No, I mean the "(UEFI)" suffix behind the listed bootable devices. If you want to install an OS like Win7 or Win8 in UEFI mode, you have to choose the bootable device with such suffix. Otherwise you will not get the OS installed in UEFI mode.
Example:
If you prepare 2 USB Flash drives for the installation of Windows 8.1 Preview, one of them by using the "Microsoft Win7 USB-DVD Tool" (which will do an NTFS formatting of the drive) and the other by using the "Rufus Tool" (choosing the FAT32 formatting option), and you hit F8 showing the "Boot Options" while starting the computer, you will realize, that only the second USB Flash Drive, which has been FAT32 formatted, will be shown with the Suffix "(UEFI)" and the other one not, although both of them do contain absolutely the same data. The simple reason is, that an NTFS formatted drive cannot be used for an UEFI mode OS Installation.

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#25 | RE: which raid drivers with Z77 datum

Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:25 pm (Last edited: Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:37 am)

Fernando,
Do you agree with this detailed procedure on "How to migrate from a W7 64 bits system RAID 0 legacy mode to UEFI mode (on a P8Z77-V Deluxe motherboard as example) ?
1) Document current BIOS settings
2) Have the "Parted Magic Boot CD" (V 2013-06-15) , and Prepare 3 separate USB keys (FAT32):
Key 1: with BIOS 2003 modded (MMtool) with "satadriver" module 12.7.0.1036, ready for FlashBios backup ("BRenamerl")
Key 2: with 64 bits V12.7.0.1036 WHQL driver folder
Key 3: with W7 64 UEFI bootable (Rufus tool)
3)Update external Graphic Card BIOS to "UEFI BIOS" version
4)Backup the RAID 0 system
5)Shutdown
6)Boot "Parted Magic Boot CD"
7)Break "LEGACY" current RAID 0 + Secure Erase the 2 x SSDs
8)Clear CMOS
9)Flashback new BIOS with Key 1
10)Power OFF totally (>1 mn)
11)Unplug (power cable AND SATA connection) of unneeded HDD (except the 2 x SSD)
12)Bios settings modification (CSM=disabled, , Build the UEFI RAID 0 Array)
13)Boot off UEFI W7 64 from key 3
14)Start W7 UEFI install
15)Inject Sata UEFI driver from key 2
16)Finalise W7 install, shutdown
17)re plug all nedeed drives
18)Reboot
19)Install all updated drivers, applications, etc..
20)Valid installation, tests

EDIT by Fernando: Completely quoted text deleted

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#26 | RE: which raid drivers with Z77 datum

Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:33 pm

@ 100PIER:

Your schedule seems to be ok.
Some side notes:
1. You should break the RAID array before you will boot off the "Parted Magic" CD.
2. Maybe you have to enter the BIOS and to load the default settings (F5), before you are able to boot off the "Parted Magic" CD.

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#27 | RE: which raid drivers with Z77 datum

Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:29 pm

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #26
@ 100PIER:

Your schedule seems to be ok.
Some side notes:
1. You should break the RAID array before you will boot off the "Parted Magic" CD.
2. Maybe you have to enter the BIOS and to load the default settings (F5), before you are able to boot off the "Parted Magic" CD.

About "Parted Magic" CD:
I thought the "Parted Magic" was the tool to "break" the RAID.
So, did you say to "break" first the RAID under BIOS (CTRL-I, Delete Array,..) and then (F5) to come back to default settings and then boot off the "Parted Magic" CD to do a secure erase ?
Question: is a SSD secure erase the same thing as a HDD secure erase ?
If not, do we have to use instead "Parted Magic" CD the Samsung tool Magician Software 4.1 with "secure erase" option (on an auxiliary PC) ?

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#28 | RE: which raid drivers with Z77 datum

Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:52 pm (Last edited: Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:53 pm)

Zitat von 100PIER im Beitrag #27
So, did you say to "break" first the RAID under BIOS (CTRL-I, Delete Array,..) and then (F5) to come back to default settings and then boot off the "Parted Magic" CD to do a secure erase ?

Yes, that is what I meant.

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Question: is a SSD secure erase the same thing as a HDD secure erase ?

It is quite similar. Do not use the "enhanced" serure erase option. The "normal" secure erase operation is better.

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If not, do we have to use instead "Parted Magic" CD the Samsung tool Magician Software 4.1 with "secure erase" option (on an auxiliary PC) ?

You can use the Samsung tool as well, if you have Samsung SSDs. I personally always let "Parted Magic" do the Job (only exception: Intel "Postville" SSDs).

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#29 | RE: which raid drivers with Z77 datum

Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:45 am (Last edited: Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:23 am)

Fernando,
Here the final version of the detailed procedure on:

"How to migrate from a W7 64 bits system RAID 0 legacy mode to UEFI mode" (example based on ASUS P8Z77-V Deluxe motherboard)

1) Document current BIOS settings
2) Have the "Parted Magic Boot CD" (V 2013-06-15) or the "Acronis True Image Home 2013 Rescue CD" if you have bought Acronis product , and Prepare 3 separate USB keys (all FAT32 formatted):
USB Key 1: with BIOS 2003 modded (MMtool) with Intel "satadriver" module V12.7.0.1036, make it ready for ASUS FlashBios backup ("BRenamerl")
USB Key 2: with 64 bits iRST V12.7.0.1036 WHQL driver folder
USB Key 3: with W7 64 UEFI bootable (made with Rufus tool)
3)Update external Graphic Card BIOS to "UEFI BIOS" version (ask to manufacturer eVGA, etc..)
4)Full Backup the RAID 0 system on external device (W7 backup, Acronis, etc..)
5)Shutdown
6)Boot BIOS sequence , CTRL-I OROM Menu to Break "LEGACY" current RAID 0 (all datas be lost). Exit with modified settings.
7)Boot "Parted Magic Boot CD" or "Acronis TIH rescue CD" to Secure Erase (select 'normal' algorithm) each one of SSDs used in the old RAID 0 array, shutdown
8)Boot BIOS , select Default Parameters setting [F5]
9)Clear CMOS
10)Flashback new BIOS with USB Key 1
11)Power OFF totally (>1 mn)
12)Unplug (power cables AND SATA connections) of unneeded HDDs/SSDs (except the 2 x SSDs for RAID 0 array)
13)Boot BIOS sequence , settings modification (CSM=disabled, Build the UEFI RAID 0 Array, etc..), save settings when exit.
14)Boot off UEFI W7 64 from USB key 3
15)Start W7 UEFI install
16)Inject Sata UEFI driver from USB key 2 when prompted
17)Finalise W7 install, shutdown
18)re plug all needed drives
19)Reboot
20)Install all updated drivers, applications, etc.. Validation, tests

EDIT by Fernando: Completely quoted text deleted

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#30 | RE: which raid drivers with Z77 datum

Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:28 pm

Fernando,
I am currently stopped at Step 13 , CSM=disabled.
But how exactly do you Build the UEFI RAID 0 ?
I can't get the specific menu to Build it.
I use a French azerty keyboard.
What exact keyboard keys to invoke to get the UEFI RAID 0 menu (replacement of CTRL-I action) ?
At the moment i have the warning menu :"The current BIOS setting do not fully support the boot device. Click OK to enter the BIOS setup...."

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