@Lost_N_BIOS

Upon further testing, this bit of info i shared before seems to be false:

Zitat von aiocr im Beitrag #14

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And here's a weird thing though, if after that, i select "All Core" again, Turbo Boost is still interactable > can select "Disabled";

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Zitat von Lost_N_BIOS im Beitrag #15

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OK then, I will make you mod BIOS per outline above now I\'ll make you two BIOS, one with 19 and one with 1C, then you can compare

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@aiocr - See edit on #15, sorry about that!

Zitat von Lost_N_BIOS im Beitrag #15

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** Sorry - I thought I hit save on these changes last night before I left, seems I did not **[

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@aiocr - You're welcome! Nice to see "Dram Config Mode" showed up, I was worried about a further edit on that may give us hassles if we had to go there
Best practice on flashing is to flash, clear CMOS, then load optimized, but it's not always something you'll have issues with if you don't
Loading optimized after a flash, then save/apply and reboot back to BIOS to make changes should always be done though.
For this kind of edit, just menu changes, just load optimized is fine

Sorry about that on Offset Voltage, I wanted it to appear only if you selected offset!
Looks like I unsuppressed it too much or Access Level Change makes it always visible, don't worry, we'll sort it out

The "other Offset" is hidden from you now, this is the new one that is tied to the setting above.
Both Offset and Fixed voltage should be hidden at Auto, and then only one should appear based on your selection away from Auto to Offset/Fixed.
Here, please test this BIOS and let me know if it acts as outlined above, if so I will make another set of both for you
If not, I will make another follow-up for you to test
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?fil...261039796353251

And no worries about making two BIOS for the microcode testing, swapping in microcode only takes a second

On vCore and LLC - You know how LLC works, correct? Of course all boards are different, and each "level" or % the other way will be different.
But the general way they work is to add more voltage under load to keep stable, some may add more at idle too.
Some may add a lot more than others under load, this is why there is level. You'll have to try them all and see which works best for you
Some people like set voltage + more at idle too, or less at idle and a lot more at load, you need to find what is your happy medium
Only testing will show you how each reacts, then you compare that to what you had before with % and decide which you want to use.
I've not used this board, so I can't tell you what is what, you'll have to test each one and see.
If you want, once you're done testing LLC 1-5, I can make you another set too, with the fixed voltage + % LLC type setting like stock had so you can compare those

Voltage will never be exactly what you set in BIOS, there is always vDrop (what's lost/less than you set at idle) and vDroop (what's less than under load)
This is by design, some boards do it all better than others, and Intel prefers it to be much more vdroop than what users what, that's why they add LLC control for users in BIOS

@Lost_N_BIOS

Appreciate the info about the best practices on flashing the bios, keeping that in mind for future needs.

All seems fine with the new test version, menu-wise:



To be honest, i always struggled to comprehend LLC, i thought if we set a fixed voltage it should be that no matter what, at least at idle and then on load it would fluctuate a bit depending on the level/% used. Good to know that is by design though, so thank you for sharing the info!
I've also heard back in the day that we should use the LLC setting that gives us the most closer voltage to what is reported by the BIOS.
And giving a look at HWiNFO, i can see VID lower than actual Vcore, which confuses me even more because i always thought that VID should always be higher than Vcore.
Of course, i'm here talking about these things but i don't expect you to help me with all of those, just really discussing.

Now, it appears this bios isn't working properly. I've set CPU Ratio to 45 (frequency that i always ran in the past) with fixed voltage to 1.35v (voltage that i always ran in the past) LLC to Level 1 and rebooted. It locks on the ASRock logo and doesn't boot, had to clear CMOS several times now (even with load defaults after CMOS > load defaults > reboot and apply changes). Leaving Turbo Boost untouched doesn't matter either, it still locks. This behavior is the same when we don't apply enough voltage and so the PC doesn't boot. It seems like despite i'm using that "Fixed Voltage" it does not assume it and is still looking at the "Auto" or "Offset Voltage" in which case it does not have enough voltage set for that frequency?!

And speaking of Turbo, it appears this setting cannot be really disabled outside of the "Auto" CPU Ratio. I've checked with this program called "Quick CPU" and the only time Turbo Boost becomes unchecked is when i disable it with CPU Ratio set to Auto:



When i use "Per Core" or "Advanced Turbo 30" and disable Turbo Boost in BIOS it still appears as checked in Quick CPU.
Maybe there's more hidden settings controlling Turbo?! It's exactly the same as this user reported here: [Request] How to Access Locked/Hidden BIOS Menu Settings (3)
In my case i also already disabled "Intel SpeedStep Technology" but when i use those programs (Quick CPU, ThrottleStop) it's still reported as enabled, as can be seen in the screenshot above. Maybe there's also an EIST hidden setting?

After further testing it seems that what i've described above is what's really happening.

Fixed Voltage

Here's what i did:

> Clear CMOS > load defaults > reboot
> Apply CPU Ratio to x42 (as i know this multiplier works with "Auto" voltage, so easier to test) fixed voltage of 1.350 - C-States and SpeedStep disabled, LLC Level 1
> Rebooted

Check with CPU-Z, i had a voltage of 1.224 - fixed voltage of 1.350 obviously ignored
Went back to bios and changed fixed voltage to auto
Check with CPU-Z again, i had the same voltage - 1.224
Set to fixed voltage again, and the voltage persists

That's why it was locking on me because at x45 multiplier it just didn't have enough voltage because of the "fallback" to auto voltage. With Offset voltage the behavior is the same, it still fallbacks to auto voltage.

Turbo Boost

About what i wrote above, i made this short video to better explain the situation: https://streamable.com/ifjgej