@ruthan

Zitat von ruthan im Beitrag #80

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I won, we won, its working!

With right PCI bus driver, i finally booted fine with Geforce 6 driver installed and i can play Quake 3 demo in full details in 1600x1200 at 90 FPS (it has FPS cap).
Everything is very fast, look at disk performance, fps framerate is actually more stable than with XP or Win7 on same machine KVM. SB16 emulation sound in quite is nice, no stuterring etc. But depends on game, i tried Unreal Tournamend demo and there is big lag, but im emulation only SB16, which even admits..that its emulation is not finnal and are other sound cards to test
Im not feel any lag etc. Virtualized networki is fully working.

We are at the start, it could only better. Maybe easily just with newer about of distro channel Qemu, 2.11 is quite old.. We now that nGLide is working even in Win98, so this really much better that any other Windows 98 emulation options.
There is lots videocards and mbs and lots tunning option to test, but its already working nicelly. its far best Win98 virtualization option so far.


@ Picture style use Agents007 copyright:) Thx.

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@ruthan

Zitat von ruthan im Beitrag #30

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@infuscomus

I never saw system without CSM, i have enable it on all my systems. This info is above.. its natively working at least on Z170, only problem is really that you need PCI slot for sound card, or mess USB one.. and that some PCI-E slot is consumed by some old Win98 only videocard => lots of cables.. Win98 NIC consumes slot too. Only bummer is really no Dos sound after B75 / X79.. otherwise Win98 would be fine, someone made it running on Ryzen too.

KVM in theory can safe one audio card slot.. networking is virtualized for sure.. and you can simply beside Win98, had 1 (Linux is mandatory) or more full blown modern OSes running in parallel.

I thing that typical setup would be something like:
Linux + WIn 98 or Win XP Switching (you dont need probably both in parallel) + Win 7/10 for proper Windows gaming => at least 2/3 videocards.. more probably 3 - because there is not good Win98 / WinXP card for gaming.. or Win XP/ Win7 (Geforce 980 TI is not good enough for lastest games).
Because Win98 needs only 1 core and 512 MB of mem, its cheap. Win XP 32bit - need lets say 2 cores(HT) + 4 GB of RAM..with 8+HT core (16 threads) machine and 32GB its all it quite possible.. You course you can everytime just shutdown some machine to gain more power..

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@infuscomus

Zitat von infuscomus im Beitrag #81

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@ruthan

something I wanted to ask, can you test if NTKERN.VXD of windows ME can work in windows 98? or if it BSODs?

MAKE A BACKUP OF NTKERN.VXD BEFORE SWAPPING

it's located in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM

edit: nevermind, i can test it myself

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@ruthan

Zitat von ruthan im Beitrag #110

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I tested nGlide install inside Geforce 6 machine machine with pasthrough and Diablo II, so also 3Dfx - GLide is working within Win98..

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Zitat von XPLives im Beitrag #124

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@ruthan

Zitat von ruthan im Beitrag #110

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I tested nGlide install inside Geforce 6 machine machine with pasthrough and Diablo II, so also 3Dfx - GLide is working within Win98..

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Try nGlide on bare metal 98. How does performance compare to real 3Dfx card? What card performance equivalence?

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@ruthan

@ruthan

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Now i If you had two machines bare metal you could network them with IPX for Head 2 Head Gaming.
But with your Linux pass through will you need 4 machines to do Dual 98 Head 2 Head Network Gaming?

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I dont thing that you understand how it works.. If you add 2 additional Win98 videocards and have 2 mouse and keyboards and 2 monitors, you can make that 2 player Lan setup one on 1 pc.. Its using same technology and principles like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXOaCkbt4lI&t=22s

Ok, at least on Windows i found way how to mount any Windows folder (on normal NTFS drive) as Qemu as not system drive, so you can for example quickly import data, share Qemu nad Dosbox game games folder etc.. Its working just as FAT32 drive.
-drive file=fat:rw:C:\temp\QemuFat32Import,format=raw,media=disk ^

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You should do a bare metal comparison performance FPS test. I may be biased but I think bare metal will always perform better than run via Linux.
Also if you have just two machines I would try IPX network gaming instead of one machine wasted on Linux.

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Its fast enough, i really dont have time / moos to install Windows 98 on this Nas modern machine, it would need some temporary HW changes.. its fast enough for sure.

Otherwise it tried to mount Linux folder by same way as Windows folder as disk.. Qemu is able to parse it, but im getting freeze during looking for bootloader (often it also east my mouse and keyboard, even when they arent pass through into into it.. and i have to kill Qemu process through ssh to get them back).. windows are working with same setup, only different folder. I also found some limits, of course file within folder couldnt be bigger than 2 GB and when i tried my Dosbox games folder i got too many files error.. along with "classic" general Linux segfault..
-drive file=fat:rw:/home/ruthan/Downloads,format=raw,media=disk \

Zitat von XPLives im Beitrag #121

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You should do a bare metal comparison performance FPS test. I may be biased but I think bare metal will always perform better than run via Linux.

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Zitat von XPLives im Beitrag #121

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Also if you have just two machines I would try IPX network gaming instead of one machine wasted on Linux.

wasted on Linux

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Zitat von ruthan im Beitrag #130

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Otherwise it tried to mount Linux folder by same way as Windows folder as disk.. Qemu is able to parse it, but im getting freeze during looking for bootloader (often it also east my mouse and keyboard, even when they arent pass through into into it.. and i have to kill Qemu process through ssh to get them back).. windows are working with same setup, only different folder. I also found some limits, of course file within folder couldnt be bigger than 2 GB and when i tried my Dosbox games folder i got too many files error.. along with "classic" general Linux segfault..
-drive file=fat:rw:/home/ruthan/Downloads,format=raw,media=disk \

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@zir_blazer

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A non-optimized Windows 10 setup looks like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/VFIO/comments/7..._kvm_vs_native/

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Its Win10 test and yes modern HW for Win9x is overkill, but in theory that could be some bugs, which could cripple performance, but so far im not aware of something like that.

Folder as Qemu disk

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Note that QEMU Virtual FAT code is considered old and buggy, so is not very reliable. Some QEMU maintainers even actually want to remove it, and I don't know if there is a direct replacement.

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Thanks for info, but its things are not good.. that is not normal in windows world, such integrate half working features without big Warning and Experimental info, when they are used.. that is what is call Linux "quality", this is simply not acceptable.
I wanting to mount folder, because it would be fastest way how to transfer data.. create some Linux only readable partition or something like is maybe more annoing that import data through vmdk mounting or true iso image. BTW Iso Master has some stupid feature.. its not able to add data into existing iso and save only increment, but you have to save iso as new file.. and delete odl and rename it to original name - how is not good user experience and so far, i dont know any ISO master alternative..

IGPu
Otherwise i did one more iGPU try, review old info sorted that etc.. So im now sure that what i want is GVT-d + Legacy mode. Im still not getting picture form iGPU, but main problem is simply lack of info, except this one intel guide: https://github.com/intel/gvt-linux/wiki/GVTd_Setup_Guide , i did find almost nothing about this online.

BTW discovered that where was problem 640x480 linux boot.. it simply means that monitor is not detected.. because it is switched to ohter input. So i would like to set desktop size or monitor settings to 1920x1200 regardless is connected or not.. but it means xorg.conf p*orn which i always hated.. In the pass in hoped that Wayland would be way to get rid of this old evil thing, but Wayland seems to exist only as some extension of Xserver.
I tried some GUI Display settings utility, but its not detection monitor, or enable to force monitor type. There is also nvidia-setting utility, but its no more part of my distro drivers packages.. and when i look for it in repository, there is nvidia-settings package, but its mean for older version of drivers, its save to use this older version, which newer version of driver?

Linux display hell:

@zir_blazer

@ruthan

Zitat von ruthan im Beitrag #128

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Now i If you had two machines bare metal you could network them with IPX for Head 2 Head Gaming.
But with your Linux pass through will you need 4 machines to do Dual 98 Head 2 Head Network Gaming?

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I dont thing that you understand how it works.. If you add 2 additional Win98 videocards and have 2 mouse and keyboards and 2 monitors, you can make that 2 player Lan setup one on 1 pc.. Its using same technology and principles like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXOaCkbt4lI&t=22s

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This video I could not see how they added 7 keyboards or how they assigned to each VM. Also 7 players and usually you have maybe at most 4 video outputs. Did they install multiple video cards into the system? What about the sound output for each VM?

How do you plan to add 2 keyboards? One PS/2 port for Keyboard. Are you using USB for USB keyboard #2 and if so how do you assign to the other VM to use USB keyboard instead of PS/2 keyboard?

Usually the controller problem is multikeyboard and multimouse not fixed and keyboard and mouse are tied to each other. Another issue is two sound cards only one can be chosen. So if you can assign which sound card for second machine to fix this.

Slots problem is PCI slots on newer hardware. Lucky you may have 1 PCI slot and sometimes 2 PCI slots and rarer over time. So having more than 2 machines in one computer may not be possible if not enough PCI slots for the cards.

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This video I could not see how they added 7 keyboards or how they assigned to each VM. Also 7 players and usually you have maybe at most 4 video outputs. Did they install multiple video cards into the system? What about the sound output for each VM?

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Next time really look at video, there you can see that they are using 7 videocards.

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How do you plan to add 2 keyboards? One PS/2 port for Keyboard. Are you using USB for USB keyboard #2 and if so how do you assign to the other VM to use USB keyboard instead of PS/2 keyboard?

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That one is simple when you add keyboard through etdev to machine, its always act as PS/2 one.

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Usually the controller problem is multikeyboard and multimouse not fixed and keyboard and mouse are tied to each other.

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This is working well, only device which is assigned to specific machines work with it.. and you have to reason assign more that 1 to each virtual machine, its working fine with all virtualization tools like Virtalbox and Vmware, only some interpreters as Dosbox etc would have problem with it, because is nothing like per device assignment.

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Another issue is two sound cards only one can be chosen. So if you can assign which sound card for second machine to fix this.

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Zitat von XPLives im Beitrag #134

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Slots problem is PCI slots on newer hardware. Lucky you may have 1 PCI slot and sometimes 2 PCI slots and rarer over time. So having more than 2 machines in one computer may not be possible if not enough PCI slots for the cards.

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Slots problem is PCI slots on newer hardware. Lucky you may have 1 PCI slot and sometimes 2 PCI slots and rarer over time. So having more than 2 machines in one computer may not be possible if not enough PCI slots for the cards.

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Its possible but not with every HW, same as Crysis also not working on old 486, you need good HW for purpose, but you dont really need PCI, as i proved that PCI-E gen 1 videocards cards are for Windows 98 working too.. emulated sound card has flaws but they are working too, other way how to have good sound and save slots are USB sound cards, Win9x has support for them, with physical machines they are working, with Qemu someone has to test them, but they is 95%+ that they will work, because they just need working Win98 USB, nothing more.