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#2851 | RE: Intel Management Engine: Drivers, Firmware & System Tools datum

Sat May 06, 2017 12:45 pm (Last edited: Sat May 06, 2017 6:21 pm)

Zitat von boombastik im Beitrag #2856
The problem is that i have an asus b85 plus motherboard. It support haswell refresh. ( i have it with a i5 4460) And the ime of latest bios is 9.0.xx.xxxx

Can i update it to 9.1?

Possibly the update will work- but there are different statements or warnings if it will work or maybe not:

Zitat von plutomaniac im Beitrag #1
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Warning for 8-series systems: The 8-series systems initially come with v9.0 firmware. The latter is upgradeable to v9.1 firmware (initially comes with 9-series systems) only if the OEM has updated the BIOS to be compatible as well. If your BIOS is up to date and the firmware is still v9.0 then do NOT update to v9.1 but only to latter v9.0 releases. The system won't brick but, if the BIOS is not ready, you will face BCLK, fan control and other issues after which going back to v9.0 firmware is often difficult. However, if your current 8-series system has firmware v9.1 (after a BIOS update) then you can update to the latest v9.1 firmware as provided below.
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Zitat von plutomaniac im Beitrag ME 9.1.0.1120 *required* for Intel Haswell Refresh CPU ???
8-series came with ME9.0
9-series came with ME9.1

8-series can be upgraded to ME9.1 to support HSWR
BIOS needs to be updated as well to work with ME9.1

If your mobo supports HSWR based on ASUS support list, then the BIOS should be ME9.1 compatible and thus you can use FWUpdate to upgrade to the latest ME9.1 firmware

I updated an Gigabyte GA-Q87N (rev 1.1) with the latest but nevertheless rather old Bios F2 that has Haswell refresh- support (dated 2014/01/24 (!)) from 9.0.31.1487 to 9.1.41.3024 . It worked, the board accepted provisioning via USB- stick and the system booted thereafter without problems. Unfortunately it's a system I'm using for testing and playing with things, so it's just an older Linux Mint (17.3) that is working as before (but not even sound connected). And unfortunately all components (cpu, board, memory) were taken from an unstable system- so I wouldn't know if it were old or new problems if I'd get any...

Edit: Checked a little more, sound via displayport is working fine, cpu throttling still working, can't unfortunately read fan speed, but cpu temperatures are unchanged, monitor off and standby still working.

Is it possible to predict a little more specific what might happen if the motherboard- bios wasn't compatible with ME 9.1?

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#2852 | RE: Intel Management Engine: Drivers, Firmware & System Tools datum

Sat May 06, 2017 5:26 pm

One more older version from HP 11.0.18.3003 Corporate H, date: 04/05/2017

It is mentioned here in a more complete INTEL-SA-00075 list from Intel.

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#2853 | RE: Intel Management Engine: Drivers, Firmware & System Tools datum

Sat May 06, 2017 7:24 pm

Dell has now also released a security advisory with specific dates for updated ME firmwares: http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/...papers/20443914
Direct link to the PDF-document: http://en.community.dell.com/cfs-file/__...00075_2900_.pdf

Also, Intel has released placeholder-pages for their affected products that will be updated on the 5/12/17 with a specific schedule:
Intel NUC: https://communities.intel.com/thread/114093
Intel Compute Stick: https://communities.intel.com/thread/114092
Intel Desktop Board: https://communities.intel.com/thread/114071

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#2854 | RE: Intel Management Engine: Drivers, Firmware & System Tools datum

Sat May 06, 2017 9:58 pm (Last edited: Sat May 06, 2017 9:58 pm)

Updated the notice regarding INTEL-SA-00075/CVE-2017-5689 with a new table, links to all known OEM advisories (thank you mclarke2355) and some notes on the special/OEM versions we have seen so far:

@ bronxamigo @ lfb6:

Consumer/1.5MB systems are not affected. ME 9.0 was dropped 4 years ago and fully replaced by 9.1. It was the OEMs job to update their BIOS to support it and to then update to 9.1 normally. Otherwise there can be problems with BCLK (99MHz instead of 100MHz), broken overclocking, erratic fan control etc. Intel has no reason to update the 9.0 branch. Maybe some OEM will beg them to do so because they are too bored to update the BIOS and maybe Intel will do it but I doubt it.

@ atomota:

You cannot downgrade because the new firmware has a higher Version Control Number (VCN), read what it means at the first post. Just because a changelog mentions something which resembles your problem, it doesn't mean that it is the same. You tested the latest firmware we have and the problem persists. There is no point in asking for advice for something that we have discussed over and over again in the past. I've already told you what the problem most probably is and I've already told you your options. Please read our old discussion if you forgot. There is nothing more I can do.

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#2855 | RE: Intel Management Engine: Drivers, Firmware & System Tools datum

Sat May 06, 2017 10:08 pm (Last edited: Sat May 06, 2017 10:10 pm)

@plutomaniac

Stupid question: If someone messes up their bios by a bad ME flash like Atomato did can't they pull their cmos chip and wipe it with a cmos writing stick like a CH341A and reflash stock firmware back onto it?

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#2856 | RE: Intel Management Engine: Drivers, Firmware & System Tools datum

Sat May 06, 2017 10:12 pm

First, no need to tag me here, I monitor this thread regardless. Secondly, it wasn't atomota's fault that his system's ME/BIOS has issues, completely unrelated to your hypothetical problem. Speaking of hypothetical problems, explain exactly what happened as I cannot guess.

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#2857 | RE: Intel Management Engine: Drivers, Firmware & System Tools datum

Sat May 06, 2017 11:05 pm (Last edited: Sat May 06, 2017 11:06 pm)

Zitat von boombastik im Beitrag #2856
The problem is tha i have an asus b85 plus motherboard.
It support haswell refresh. ( i have it with a i5 4460)
And the ime of latest bios is 9.0

Can i update it to 9.1?

I want to try to update it to 9.1.
What packet i need to update the Ime the Intel ME System Tools v9.1 or the Intel ME System Tools v9.0?

I want to go from 9.0.31.1487 to 9.1.41.3024

i7 4790,rx580,16gb ram,x-fi titanium pcie,asrock anniversary z97

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#2858 | RE: Intel Management Engine: Drivers, Firmware & System Tools datum

Sat May 06, 2017 11:09 pm

Hypothetically if your ME firmware upgrade is not successful and not compatible with the current bios version as I understand you can not go backwards such that the only way to restore the firmware to the original state would be to use a flash image burning tool like the ch341a??

Thank you

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#2859 | RE: Intel Management Engine: Drivers, Firmware & System Tools datum

Sat May 06, 2017 11:26 pm

Zitat von plutomaniac im Beitrag #2860

@ bronxamigo @ lfb6:

Consumer/1.5MB systems are not affected. ME 9.0 was dropped 4 years ago and fully replaced by 9.1. It was the OEMs job to update their BIOS to support it and to then update to 9.1 normally. Otherwise there can be problems with BCLK (99MHz instead of 100MHz), broken overclocking, erratic fan control etc. Intel has no reason to update the 9.0 branch. Maybe some OEM will beg them to do so because they are too bored to update the BIOS and maybe Intel will do it but I doubt it.

Thanks for the expert knowledge. Are there anything specific to update to make older BIOS work with 9.1? I can try to make my own changes.

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#2860 | RE: Intel Management Engine: Drivers, Firmware & System Tools datum

Sun May 07, 2017 12:15 am

Zitat von davidm71 im Beitrag #2864
Hypothetically if your ME firmware upgrade is not successful and not compatible with the current bios version as I understand you can not go backwards such that the only way to restore the firmware to the original state would be to use a flash image burning tool like the ch341a??

Thank you

If it is no sucesfull i will rma the motherboard.

i7 4790,rx580,16gb ram,x-fi titanium pcie,asrock anniversary z97

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#2861 | RE: Intel Management Engine: Drivers, Firmware & System Tools datum

Sun May 07, 2017 12:59 am (Last edited: Sun May 07, 2017 1:34 am)

Updated the notice regarding INTEL-SA-00075/CVE-2017-5689 (found 11.0.18.3003 from HP):

Intel ME System Tools v11.0 r4 (ReUp)
Intel ME System Tools v9.1 r2 (ReUp)

Zitat von boombastik im Beitrag #2863
What packet i need to update the Ime the Intel ME System Tools v9.1 or the Intel ME System Tools v9.0?

Intel ME System Tools v9.1

Zitat von davidm71 im Beitrag #2864
you can not go backwards

You cannot downgrade from 9.1 to 9.0 without the use of programmers or SPI flashers

Zitat von bronxamigo im Beitrag #2865
Thanks for the expert knowledge. Are there anything specific to update to make older BIOS work with 9.1? I can try to make my own changes.

The BIOS must be updated from the OEM, nothing you can do

If you are ok with ending up with a problematic ME implementation and want to risk it then you certainly can. Make sure you have the latest BIOS applied first just in case the OEM has added 9.1 support but did not bother to update the ME firmware alongside that change (it happens).

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#2862 | RE: Intel Management Engine: Drivers, Firmware & System Tools datum

Sun May 07, 2017 3:50 am (Last edited: Mon May 08, 2017 9:57 pm)

Zitat von plutomaniac im Beitrag #2867
Zitat von bronxamigo im Beitrag #2865
Thanks for the expert knowledge. Are there anything specific to update to make older BIOS work with 9.1? I can try to make my own changes.

The BIOS must be updated from the OEM, nothing you can do

If you are ok with ending up with a problematic ME implementation and want to risk it then you certainly can. Make sure you have the latest BIOS applied first just in case the OEM has added 9.1 support but did not bother to update the ME firmware alongside that change (it happens).

@plutomaniac

Thanks. I flashed to 9.1 some years ago. Then I read that the chipset HM86 was not supposed to run 9.1 - hardware limitation. I had to ground a pin to bypass protection and flash it back to 9.0.

If the changes are just new settings or modules, I can do something with the hidden variables and modules. Would you know of the changes needed?

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#2863 | RE: Intel Management Engine: Drivers, Firmware & System Tools datum

Sun May 07, 2017 10:52 am

Zitat von plutomaniac im Beitrag #2860
...... @ bronxamigo @ lfb6:
Consumer/1.5MB systems are not affected. ME 9.0 was dropped 4 years ago and fully replaced by 9.1. It was the OEMs job to update their BIOS to support it and to then update to 9.1 normally. Otherwise there can be problems with BCLK (99MHz instead of 100MHz), broken overclocking, erratic fan control etc. Intel has no reason to update the 9.0 branch. Maybe some OEM will beg them to do so because they are too bored to update the BIOS and maybe Intel will do it but I doubt it. .....

Thanks a lot for the answer, even if it's not what I wanted to hear :-)
You're right, I don't think Intel has any reason to fix the 9.0 tree. I wonder, if the OEMs will offer something? Up to now there are only few Q87- boards that earlier got an update to AMT 9.1. Dfi did all I could find, Asrock one board, but Gigabyte, Msi and Asus did none- even if Asus for example still updated the bios for the Q87M-E in 2016. I wonder if Asus will offer something for their Q87- boards, there is a time schedule that says EOL will be as late as 2020! (It's called " 5 year longevity motherboard program"

Zitat von plutomaniac im Beitrag #2867
..... just in case the OEM has added 9.1 support but did not bother to update the ME firmware alongside that change (it happens).

Is there a way to find out? Or could you give a hint, where to find further information? I tried to find some release notes for AMT 9.1 or pages that refer to the differences between 9.0 and 9.1 (and bios requirements) without any success.

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#2864 | RE: Intel Management Engine: Drivers, Firmware & System Tools datum

Sun May 07, 2017 11:47 am (Last edited: Sun May 07, 2017 11:49 am)

Zitat von davidm71 im Beitrag #2861
@plutomaniac

Stupid question: If someone messes up their bios by a bad ME flash like Atomato did can't they pull their cmos chip and wipe it with a cmos writing stick like a CH341A and reflash stock firmware back onto it?

You make too many assumptions, because I never even touched or flashed the ME to cause the problem, this is a problems with these motherboards by default, I came here trying to find some help since Asus are a POS and dont support or provide support for their product.

I have kept plutomaniac up-to-date with my Attempts to fix it and am still trying to get answers to some questions. (he answered main question) Ad nauseam but I still have ME related questions.
As to your suggestion- "They" cant be taking 24/7 systems off-line for that long until an alternative is possible that allows your kind of suggestion which plutomaniac already provided answer for.

@plutomaniac
Could I flash the 1.7.0.1229 ME on this board?
also if the VCN is what prevents ME downgrades is it safe to assume that as long as VCN is the same then a downgrade is possible?
Could I flash the corporate ME on this?

Asus TUF mk1 Z270 - Bios 1203
Intel i7-7700K
G.skill 32GB ram @ 3200MHZ - XMP
Samsung 850 EVO
Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB 2016 64-bit / Linux Ubuntu Minimal 16.04 LTS 64-bit + Gnome

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#2865 | RE: Intel Management Engine: Drivers, Firmware & System Tools datum

Sun May 07, 2017 1:56 pm

@atomota,

I really did not mean any offense and if I misunderstood your statements please have my appologies.
Also dont take my curiosity too seriously as whatever interpretation on your actions or not was not meant
to be personal.

Thank you.

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