No need! I can do it myself, I just wanted to inform you about the ME!

OK, I tried them GOP does not work, but vBIOS does work. Also, I noticed the microcodes are not the latest and I lost control of Dragon Center's CPU OC modes, I do not know if this means anything.

When you disable the Speedstep, the CPU never boosts (turbo/OC) to a higher frequency, it is always stuck at its minimum, regardless of what you do on Dragon Station. Meanwhile, if you disable the C-state control, the CPU will boost to a higher frequency, and Dragon Station's modes do work, but the CPU can never OC as high as if it is enabled. For example:

Default: MIN 2,6GHz under very heavy load/3GHz under load - MAX 3,1GHz under load/3,4GHz under small load
Speedstep disabled: MIN 2,6GHz - MAX 2,6GHz
C states disabled: MIN 2,6GHz under very heavy load/3,2GHz under load - MAX 3,2GHz under load/3,2GHz under small load

And the funny thing is that, although bound to temperatures, when under very heavy load temperatures are ignored and it will always downclock.

Thanks!

Already done About ME

Sorry, I may have forgot to check microcodes again, don't worry, once we sort everything out I will make you a final good BIOS with all things. But, since you notice this, I will fix in that base real quick.
So, now we know GOP was issue, but we don't know if GOP was issue due to no VBT update also or that particular GOP update is too new (it's the one UBU uses for this update)
But when UBU does the update it does not update VBT for some reason, which seems required based on the tables we have (Should update to 212 for the 1080 GOP it inserts). We'll sort it out

So, included in this one is MEuCVB2, this is w/ the updated ME again + uCodes updated and fixed properly, + tested working vBIOS, this will be my new base. Then we'll sort this GOP issue.
First MEuCVB2GOP2 - similar/same as before, but I redid the VBT edit/settings transfer and didn't change the version byte - I changed this previously, because during settings transfer the byte that shows UBU version remained at 203
The file itself showed 212 in Intel's BMP tool, so I thought maybe bug that version byte didn't change so I edited it, maybe that broke it? Anyway, this will tell us. If this fails also, then we know you can't use GOP 1080, at least not with VBT 212 or 203 (this was previous test 1080 GOP update + stock 203 VBT)
Highest compatible GOP with 203 VBT looks to be 1045, not really worth updating from 1039, but I suppose if that works then we'll do that and leave it there (this is MEuCVB2GOP3)
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?fil...857295471797535

Remember, all these BIOS can be flashed in with FPTw.exe -bios -f
The only time you need to recover is if black screen / no boot, and in this case the MEuCVB2 is new base BIOS with all tested working updates (what you did in UBU, + ME FW, uCodes, vBIOS, all previous unlocks from earlier too) So use this one to recover with via programmer.

Speestep and EIST may rely on what you've got set in windows power plan settings at control panel, advanced power plan >> CPU Min/Max
This issue may be you can't control the C States individually, that's what's really needed with them, Disable C3 or enable C3 for high core speeds, but I forget which. Disabling them all at once can cause loss of controls like you mention
Plus, some CPU's you have to have speedstep enabled or you can't clock high no matter what, so that may need enabled, then certain C-States disabled while others left enabled.
I'm betting you'll be able to figure this one out once you have more controls on this. I can never keep track, Intel changes CPU's functionality too much too often. Hold off this until we get you unlock BIOS menus.

OK, if you believe there is something that is not worth updating, do not update it, it is your call 100%.

MEuCVB2GOP2 fails to boot, the other two work properly, in all aspects I quickly inspected.

I tried toying around with various power settings and the registry, Dragon Center seems to bypass everything ignoring anything else, and the systems seems bound and dedicated to only work with the Dragon Center, it seems as if the CPU's functionality is intentionally hindered to not work without it, for example; lets say I want the default CPU clocks and functionality as per Intel's specs, this is not possible, the CPU will simply remain at min frequency at all times.

Yes I am very much looking forward to additional settings in the BIOS!!

Thanks again, let me know how to proceed!

EDIT: Also, picture of the "Save & Exit" tab in BIOS: https://imgur.com/a/NHNdOYy

It's more about what's compatible than worth updating, I did go ahead and update GOP to 1045 so at least there's that and it's working. We can try further if you want, I think the failing thing may be updating VBT or not being able to update GOP higher without VBT update as well.
We already tested latest and they fail, we're in the middle now with VBT at stock still, we can try higher GOP with stock VBT and see how high that can go, or try updating VBT one step at a time until it fails, then update GOP higher on top of that.
There's a lot to play with between what we've updated on that front now vs what we tried initially that failed, could be 20-30 more BIOS before we have a final answer, so it's really up to you.
MEuCVB2GOP3 has GOP 9.0.1045 = vBIOS updated to 1062 (highest possible there), there is 1065 somewhere but it's not in the normal packages we have posted here for this so I don't have a copy

There may be some BIOS setting causing what you mentioned, I'll have to dig around and see. Did this happen before you installed that? What if you remove it?
Do you see this "Min freq at all times" while in the BIOS too? If yes, then that shows it's nothing to do with the software.
Have you asked MSI why this happens that way? It shouldn't be like that, and most wouldn't even install this software, so I doubt they'd force it onto users to gain full CPU functionality.

Lets get into BIOS menu testing, this way you'll at least have more options to try and figure that out. Moving forward with MEuCVB2GOP3 as base now.
Please test all these BIOS, stop when you see "Chipset" appear in BIOS menu. Contents do not matter, only making menu visible is first thing I need to know method for this BIOS as all are different
Test in this order, no need to test any others once you see chipset, stop there and let me know which it was. ** is where I think first will appear, but please test in order until you see it.
If contents inside chipset are blank that is OK, I don't care what's in there or not for this test, however, do let me know if it's empty
1. SetO
2. AMITO
3. SetAMIT **
4. SetBCPU
5. SetBCPS
6. AMITBCPU
7. AMITBCPS
8. SetAMITBCPU **
9. SetAMITBCPS **

Additionally, during this test phase, please check these BIOS separately, and stop and let me know which BIOS you see >> "Save as User Defaults" appear on the Save and Exit page
Same as before, test in this order, stop once you see it
1. UserDSetO
2. UserDBCPU
3. UserDBCPS
4. UserDSetBCPU
5. UserDSetBCPS

http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?fil...495247573418047

All BIOS can be programmed in via >> FPTw.exe -bios -f filename.bin

Isn't this one posted by Pacman the 1065 version you are mentioning? [Discussion] UBU Tool related Questions, Reports and Suggestions (20)

If you mean my detailing how the Dragon Center is behaving with the CPU, yes, this is how it has always worked since day 1. I have not asked MSI about it because I suppose they consider Dragon Center and other CPU utilities they had in the past integral part of the system's operation, I suppose they never let the CPU run at defaults to avoid any problems, they have their own presets, which can be set via the Dragon Center, and that is about it. All I know is that I have tried multiple times in the past removing all this bloatware and have the CPU run on its own, and it simply runs on min frequency. There is no point going super technical in order to resolve this, because it may not be possible, I only wish I could have a stable boosted frequency, like in my desktop, since I do keep the fans high and have external fans connected to the laptop having excellent temps. Seeing the frequency and voltage jump up and down in idle makes me nervous, and having an auto-downclock on load regardless of temps is infuriating.

Chipset:
1. SetO - No change
2. AMITO - Chipset is available as a tab, it is empty as you suggested, and I stopped flashing as you instructed.

Save as User Defaults:
1. UserDSetO - Save as user defaults and restore user defaults are both available, and I stopped flashing as you instructed.

Thank you!!!

Yes, that is the one, but there is no BSF+Dat files with that, it's just a vBIOS pulled out of a random board, can't be used for what we're doing here.

It's possible, and they shouldn't have it setup like that, what about users who use Linux or MAC on those systems, they'd be pissed. This is BIOS controlled, they must have something set that you need to change is all.
I like stable freq too, stock or high clocked, so fans don't jump around too. They may have the ICC profile set this way in the ME FW too, I'll have to check that out tonight

Thanks for report back on the BIOS tests. That's unexpected from "Restore User Defaults", I only unsuppressed the "Save as User Defaults", it must auto-unsuppress once that other setting was revealed, odd and unproper behavior @ MSI !!
On chipset, thanks for stopping, now continue with next BIOS in that set until you see "some" contents in there, looking for two submenus Shizzzz! I just realized this is a blank menu, nothing in chipset at all for this BIOS!!!
Lots of time wasted there, ohh well, that teaches me for blindly assuming contents are inside a menu when it's present in the BIOS. More poor BIOS engineering @ MSI - If you empty contents, remove the menu!
Ha, it's my fault for not noticing, but still they should have removed it entirely (They moved contents into Advanced and then hid them = lame )

Lets get you into the CPU stuff in Advanced real quick, and then tonight I will look at ME FW ICC profile and unlock the rest of the BIOS for you
Adding >> OverClocking Performance Menu + CPU Configuration (Main) - Now, these may be empty, or sparse, if so let me know or show me images inside each showing all settings/submenus etc (Please put in zip or 7zip)
Here's what you should see, or what is possible but may need further edits to unlock (you have to let me know) Overclock Performance submenu has a lot of submenus inside it, all with lots of settings inside each one (not shown here)
CPU config has 3 submenus and a TON of settings at it's root too (Which I'll probably have to unlock one by one).


If you want to look in person, instead of these limited images, I can send you this tool in PM - just send me PM and tell me you want it, then you can look at all the possible BIOS settings in each section.

If these BIOS = no change, it's OK, I just didn't make a stack of BIOS here based on the Exit test above, but it may be needed (would be my luck, especially since I didn't make them for you this time)
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?fil...517894363577024

Alright, I see, sorry, I thought that was it!

No idea, but yeah, some binding BIOS switch could be what creates this situation with the Dragon Center and the CPU, which is of course hidden.

Really sorry for this! I wish I would understand more to help you.. It was really cool seeing a new tab there though!

ICC profile? Like in, a profile for the screen? Embedded in the BIOS? How does this even work?

Here are the photos you asked: http://www.mediafire.com/file/fyng05oxw5...Camera.zip/file

All these settings.. work?? It is crazy that you can do that! Also, I wanted to indicate that there are identical settings in the default advanced tab and the CPU sub-tab, which means that I can select disabled or enabled twice on e.g. Speedstep or Virtualization.

Do you mean these are for other issues from other BIOS? I sure hope you find something useful in all this!

Nothing is hidden over here We'll figure that out, I'm sure!

Don't worry about not knowing BIOS editing, I'm used to people not knowing a lot or much at all about this, it's OK.

ICC profile is like a default control thing the ME Firmware uses and tells the BIOS to use for many things (integrated clock controller profile). It may not be this, but could be, so need to check it out and see how it's setup.

Yes, all the settings you see work, and can be made visible. Well, some might not apply to your hardware in certain situations, but most do.
Thanks for the images, I will grab them tonight and finish out the rest of those sections for what's missing, then do the rest of the other submenus.
Yes, some stuff may be duplicated in certain areas, especially for something you could see before any edits. Some are in the BIOS 3-4 times, hidden and then only one shown to user.
I'll sort all that out for you later too, for now I just wanted to enable the submenus at the root level and then I need to see the outcome, so I can see what needs hidden due to you already had visible, or what else needs made visible that still using.

Sounds great! I will anxiously wait for further instructions! Good luck

@Fabulist - can you go ahead and test the following from post #34, and let me know if you see the Save User Default setting, and if it's only that or both this way too (or nothing)
2. UserDBCPU
3. UserDBCPS

Hey!

Both BIOS make these settings disappear.

Thanks!

So, to confirm then, only this one made it show up correct? >> UserDSetO
I hoped one of the others would work too, easier on me that way, but no big deal
At Advanced >> Overclocking Performance Menu >> Enabled << Set enabled, and show me what all you see inside there then (in each submenu too)

Yes, but i have not tried these:

4. UserDSetBCPU
5. UserDSetBCPS

Sorry for the delay, I flashed the wrong BIOS and then started to looking for the right one, also sorry I missed the fact more options are available after you enable the OC menu. I also compressed the photos because their size was way too big, I guess I should adjust my camera,

Photos here: http://www.mediafire.com/file/8lcd89p0xo...ssjpeg.zip/file

Note that the last submenus refer to the same thing

By the way, I am not planning on OCing this system under any circumstance, I find it too dangerous with its current cooling system, plus toying with the unlocked advanced CPU settings is more than enough for me, are you sure you want to continue to work and unfold this area?

Thanks again!

As mentioned at post #40, please test those two BIOS you mentioned above, and then tell me outcome on what I asked in #40
These are unrelated test to anything CPU related. What is the above 30MB image package??

Even if you don't want to overclock, full access to all the settings may help you get things going the way you want, many options in there adjust how CPU speeds can fluctuate based on power draw and or temps too, so it's not just the 2-3 settings we've been mentioning here recently.

OK, so I tested the last two as well, so taking them from the start:

1. UserDSetO - Save as User Defaults and Restore User Defaults are available (as mentioned previously, did not reflash)
2. UserDBCPU - No change (as mentioned in #41, did not reflash)
3. UserDBCPS - No change (as mentioned in #41, did not reflash)
4. UserDSetBCPU - Save as User Defaults and Restore User Defaults are available
5. UserDSetBCPS - Save as User Defaults and Restore User Defaults are available

The zip package on #43 relates to pictures regarding this:

Zitat

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At Advanced >> Overclocking Performance Menu >> Enabled << Set enabled, and show me what all you see inside there then (in each submenu too)

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Ah, I see! OK sounds great!

Thanks again!