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#181 | RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-52 datum

Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:21 pm

@saltinbank @Hyppo maybe I found a solution how to fix higher power usage on newer Windows 10 versions - because it's all related to C states and CPU workload.

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#182 | RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-52 datum

Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:23 pm (Last edited: Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:26 pm)

The things i have tried is to edit the ini files of PSENSE to enable the CPU overclocking like on the HELIOS 500/700 but i doesnt works but it gave me the MACRO settings meanwhile

sorry i have mistaken ... C1 motion-demotion on

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#183 | RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-52 datum

Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:26 pm

I think there is some settings in Win 1903 and 1903 which can be adjusted, smth like ECC shift etc
But I don't know which so actually I plan to downgrade to 1809
But if you find the root cause it will be very cool

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#184 | RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-52 datum

Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:29 pm

Update
On idle in windows with both fans at 1000 rpm I have temp 45-50C quite good as laptop noiseless in this mode

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#185 | RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-52 datum

Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:31 pm (Last edited: Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:33 pm)

Look one user on helios 500 he got the OC tab for the CPU also and a working XTU up to 110W (I9 though unlocked)

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#186 | RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-52 datum

Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:34 pm

Helios 500 is with AMD CPU I guess

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#187 | RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-52 datum

Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:34 pm (Last edited: Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:37 pm)

No with also I7 9850H and 8950HK ...

3000/ 3200 60C mine :[ need repasting with good thermal paste

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#188 | RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-52 datum

Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:36 pm

It's not polish (probably czech language - I'm from Poland :D ).
I was trying to unlock CPU OC tab but without success.
But theoretically you could replace Helios 300 XTU profiles with those from other Acer laptops as long as they using same CPU (and some profiles are quite different).
You need to go to your system drive and then ProgramData -> OEM and will see what is going on ;)

BTW I found what is causing my Windows 10 (2004 version also know as 20H1) to draw excessive current and cooking my CPU while it's idling.
And answer is NVIDIA DRIVERS (seriously) - I've got pretty good analysis app and that's for sure somekind of bug.

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#189 | RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-52 datum

Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:40 pm

I apologize buddy na zdrowie :)

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#190 | RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-52 datum

Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:52 pm (Last edited: Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:55 pm)

C:\ProgramData\OEM\PredatorSense

btw here my feature.ini : OC CPU = 1 but doesnt work i putted it to read only so Psense cant change it

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Main=1
Lighting=1
Overclocking=1
Hotkey=1
FanControl=1
Monitoring=1
GameSync=1
AppCenter=1
SoundMode=1
[StyleType]
Type=1
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CPU=1
GPU=1
System=1
RAM=1
Ethernet=1
WIFI=1
[OverclockSupport]
CPU=1
GPU=1
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GPUOCWMIRule=1
GPUOCWMINewRule=1
CPUOCWMIRule=1
[PowerLimitSupport]
PowerLimit=1
PowerLimitHidden=1
[KeyboardType]
PerKey=1
[Task Schedule]
DelayTime=3
DelayTime2=180
[MachineType]
Type=1
[MobileSupport]
Mobile=1
[MobileAppPath]
Count=3
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Android_Direct=https://global-download.acer.com/supportfiles/files/android/update/PredatorSense.apk
iOS=http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/PredatorSense/id1455188136?mt=8
[SupportLink]
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TensorCore=https://www.nvidia.com/tensorcore/
AeroBlade3D=https://www.acer.com/aeroblade3d
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RTXGPU_it=https://www.nvidia.com/it-it/geforce/20-series/rtx/
RTXGPU_ja=https://www.nvidia.com/ja-jp/geforce/20-series/rtx/
RTXGPU_ko=https://www.nvidia.com/ko-kr/geforce/20-series/rtx/
RTXGPU_nl=https://www.nvidia.com/nl-nl/geforce/20-series/rtx/
RTXGPU_no=https://www.nvidia.com/nb-no/geforce/20-series/rtx/
RTXGPU_pl=https://www.nvidia.com/pl-pl/geforce/20-series/rtx/
RTXGPU_pt=https://www.nvidia.com/pt-br/geforce/20-series/rtx/
RTXGPU_ro=https://www.nvidia.com/ro-ro/geforce/20-series/rtx/
RTXGPU_ru=https://www.nvidia.com/ru-ru/geforce/20-series/rtx/
RTXGPU_sk=https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/20-series/rtx/
RTXGPU_sl=https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/20-series/rtx/
RTXGPU_sv=https://www.nvidia.com/sv-se/geforce/20-series/rtx/
RTXGPU_tr=https://www.nvidia.com/tr-tr/geforce/20-series/rtx/
RTXGPU_zh-CHS=https://www.nvidia.com/zh-cn/geforce/20-series/rtx/
RTXGPU_zh-CHT=https://www.nvidia.com/zh-tw/geforce/20-series/rtx/
TensorCore_bg=https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_cs=https://www.nvidia.com/cs-cz/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_da=https://www.nvidia.com/da-dk/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_de=https://www.nvidia.com/de-de/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_el=https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_en=https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_es=https://www.nvidia.com/es-es/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_fi=https://www.nvidia.com/fi-fi/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_fr=https://www.nvidia.com/fr-fr/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_hr=https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_hu=https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_it=https://www.nvidia.com/it-it/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_ja=https://www.nvidia.com/ja-jp/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_ko=https://www.nvidia.com/ko-kr/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_nl=https://www.nvidia.com/nl-nl/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_no=https://www.nvidia.com/nb-no/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_pl=https://www.nvidia.com/pl-pl/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_pt=https://www.nvidia.com/pt-br/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_ro=https://www.nvidia.com/ro-ro/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_ru=https://www.nvidia.com/ru-ru/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_sk=https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_sl=https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_sv=https://www.nvidia.com/sv-se/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_tr=https://www.nvidia.com/tr-tr/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_zh-CHS=https://www.nvidia.com/zh-cn/data-center/tensorcore/
TensorCore_zh-CHT=https://www.nvidia.com/zh-tw/data-center/tensorcore/

PedatorSense.ini =

[OC_CPU]
Count=0
CPUName1=AMD Ryzen 7 2700 Eight-Core Processor
CPUName2=AMD Ryzen 5 2600 Six-Core Processor
CPUName3=AMD Ryzen: ZD2600BBM68AF_38/34_Y
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BIOSVersion=000
Count=4
CPUName1=Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8750H CPU @ 2.20GHz
CPUName2=Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8300H CPU @ 2.30GHz
CPUName3=Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9750H CPU @ 2.60GHz
CPUName4=Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-9300H CPU @ 2.40GHz
[OC_GPU]
Count=5
GPUName1=PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_2191&SUBSYS_13431025
GPUName2=PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1F11&SUBSYS_13431025
GPUName3=PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1F10&SUBSYS_13421025
GPUName4=PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1F11&SUBSYS_13421025
GPUName5=PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_2191&SUBSYS_13421025
[PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_2191&SUBSYS_13431025]
Normal=0
Faster=100
Turbo=160
RAM_Normal=0
RAM_Faster=160
RAM_Turbo=320
[PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1F11&SUBSYS_13431025]
Normal=0
Faster=100
Turbo=160
RAM_Normal=0
RAM_Faster=160
RAM_Turbo=320
[PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1F10&SUBSYS_13421025]
Normal=0
Faster=100
Turbo=160
RAM_Normal=0
RAM_Faster=160
RAM_Turbo=320
[PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1F11&SUBSYS_13421025]
Normal=0
Faster=100
Turbo=160
RAM_Normal=0
RAM_Faster=160
RAM_Turbo=320
[PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_2191&SUBSYS_13421025]
Normal=0
Faster=100
Turbo=160
RAM_Normal=0
RAM_Faster=160
RAM_Turbo=320
[Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8300H CPU @ 2.30GHz]
Path=i5-8300H CPU
[Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8750H CPU @ 2.20GHz]
Path=i7-8750H CPU
[Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-9300H CPU @ 2.40GHz]
Path=i5-9300H CPU
[Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9750H CPU @ 2.60GHz]
Path=i7-9750H CPU
[SpecialHotkey]
SpecialType=0
[APPCenterDefault]
Count=13
Path1=C:\Program Files (x86)\SplitmediaLabs\XSplit Gamecaster\XSplit.Gamecaster.exe
Path2=C:\Program Files (x86)\Acer\Care Center\CareCenter.exe
Path3=C:\Program Files\Killer Networking\Killer Control Center\KillerControlCenter.exe
Path4=RivetNetworks.KillerControlCenter_rh07ty8m5nkag!RivetNetworks.KillerControlCenter,000000
Path5=C:\Program Files (x86)\Tobii\Tobii EyeX Interaction\Tobii.EyeX.Tray.exe
Path6=C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\NVIDIA GeForce Experience\NVIDIA GeForce Experience.exe
Path7=AcerIncorporated.AcerCollection_48frkmn4z8aw4!App,000000
Path8=AcerIncorporated.AcerCollectionS_48frkmn4z8aw4!App,000000
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Path13=C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVIDIA GeForce Experience\NVIDIA GeForce Experience.exe
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#191 | RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-52 datum

Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:00 pm (Last edited: Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:03 pm)

PredatorSense has 3 profiles Normal, Fast and Extreme and each of them has relevant XTU profile
So you can just edit those XTU profiles and change PL and UV and PredatorSense will use them instead
Also you can adjust Gpu overclock in config file so PredatorSense will use those new settings set
But 56W is unbreakable but cooling will barely survive higher anyway

Here is how to do
https://youtu.be/bN6i_H-sj1k
And there is one trick that you need to use old version XTU 6.4.1.23 to edit profiles

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#192 | RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-52 datum

Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:03 pm

Yep, NVIDIA drivers made my laptop much hotter on idle than I could suspect ;)
After removinf those my system process fall down to 1% or less CPU usage.

If you got high cpu usage on SYSTEM process then there is something really go wrong - probably with drivers.

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#193 | RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-52 datum

Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:06 pm (Last edited: Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:08 pm)

@Hyppo yeah i went also to YT and saw this vid ...

The fact the 300 has no dedicated heatpipe for cpu and gpu here is the bottleneck ...

found my perfect timing : will try Cas 17 and then stop :)

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#194 | RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-52 datum

Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:18 pm (Last edited: Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:19 pm)

Zitat von saltinbank im Beitrag #193
@Hyppo yeah i went also to YT and saw this vid ...

The fact the 300 has no dedicated heatpipe for cpu and gpu here is the bottleneck ...

found my perfect timing : will try Cas 17 and then stop :)

It has one dedicated pipe for cpu, one dedicated for gpu and one shared between cpu and gpu, 3 heat pipes in total
Your problem is with cooling assembling and you need a repaste

To understand how is bad your cooling, run aida64 stress test with all options except disk on and check your temperatures, for 20-30 min, with fans on auto

My temperatures min 81+77+77 (cpu+gpu+system) with fans at 4000+4500 rpm

But I polished my heatsink and used proper thermal paste prolimatech pk-3

I also tried liquid metal but results were worse

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#195 | RE: [Help] Unlock advanced menu on 2019 Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-52 datum

Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:22 pm

Zitat von mikolaj612 im Beitrag #192
Yep, NVIDIA drivers made my laptop much hotter on idle than I could suspect ;)
After removinf those my system process fall down to 1% or less CPU usage.

If you got high cpu usage on SYSTEM process then there is something really go wrong - probably with drivers.

Reason not in apps but in system in general, for ex PredatorSense gives 10 % of cpu load and system runs cpu to 4 GHz all the time when PredatorSense is on screen, I guess frequency must be lower

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