Forum - RE: [Solution] Win7/8.1 Drivers for USB 3.0/3.1 Controllers of new AMD Chipset Systems

Win-Raid Forum (Drivers - Firmware - Modding) � OS related Topics � Windows 7/Vista/Server 2008 � [Solution] Win7/8.1 Drivers for USB 3.0/3.1 Controllers of new AMD Chipset Systems

Page 44 of 50 � Page 1 ... 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 ... 50 Page �

Topic settings

Print view

Jump to forum

General & Forum related Topics News / Announcements Forum-related Questions & Suggestions Off Topic Important Drivers (AHCI/RAID, NVMe, USB etc.) General: Storage Drivers (AHCI/RAID, NVMe and USB) Specific: Intel AHCI/RAID Drivers Specific: NVIDIA nForce Chipset Drivers (incl. AHCI/RAID) Specific: NVMe Drivers Other Drivers System Performance RAID Performance AHCI/NVMe Performance Solid State Drives BIOS Modding BIOS Modding Guides and Problems BIOS modules (PCI ROM, EFI and others) BIOS Modding Requests Reports: BIOS Modding Results Offers: Already modded special BIOSes Special Topics Intel Management Engine CPU Microcodes NVMe Support for old Systems Other Tools (not BIOS modding related) Interesting PC Hardware & Software OS related Topics Windows 11 Windows 8-10/Server 2012-2019 Windows 7/Vista/Server 2008 Windows XP/2000/Server 2003 DOS/Windows 3.X/9X/ME - Retro Gaming Other Operating Systems

#646 | RE: [Solution] Win7/8.1 Drivers for USB 3.0/3.1 Controllers of new AMD Chipset Systems datum

Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:03 pm

Zitat von Morpheas im Beitrag #645
Morpheas

The 2.0.0.68 driver was from/ modified by canonkong in his download folder sometime in the late 2019s and as near as I can tell it caused long boot times by the way Windows initially loaded it.

Here's a pretty good link explaining UASP verses BOT (the USBSTOR driver):
https://www.minitool.com/lib/uasp.html

USB 3 temporary freezes aren't necessarily the result of the USB drivers. If you have an AMD Ryzen based system, most of the freezes have been caused by the bios. AMD is aware of the problem and has actively been working on a fix for the past several months.

You can use this small program "trimcheck" to see if trim is actually working on any drive. https://github.com/CyberShadow/trimcheck

As to your Realtek LAN driver, a lot depends on exactly which chipset you have. The Realtek PCIe 2.5GbE Family Controller has had all sorts of problems with disconnects on their newer drivers and I wouldn't recommend updating, whereas the 8111H Gigabit LAN Controller (the chipset on my board) has been fine with all of the versions I've tried so far.

reply

#647 | RE: [Solution] Win7/8.1 Drivers for USB 3.0/3.1 Controllers of new AMD Chipset Systems datum

Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:59 am (Last edited: Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:09 pm)

Zitat von ryegrass im Beitrag #646
Zitat von Morpheas im Beitrag #645
Morpheas

1. The 2.0.0.68 driver was from/ modified by canonkong in his download folder sometime in the late 2019s and as near as I can tell it caused long boot times by the way Windows initially loaded it.

2. Here's a pretty good link explaining UASP verses BOT (the USBSTOR driver):
https://www.minitool.com/lib/uasp.html

3. USB 3 temporary freezes aren't necessarily the result of the USB drivers. If you have an AMD Ryzen based system, most of the freezes have been caused by the bios. AMD is aware of the problem and has actively been working on a fix for the past several months.

4. You can use this small program "trimcheck" to see if trim is actually working on any drive. https://github.com/CyberShadow/trimcheck

5. As to your Realtek LAN driver, a lot depends on exactly which chipset you have. The Realtek PCIe 2.5GbE Family Controller has had all sorts of problems with disconnects on their newer drivers and I wouldn't recommend updating, whereas the 8111H Gigabit LAN Controller (the chipset on my board) has been fine with all of the versions I've tried so far.

1. Ok that makes sense. I cannot really test that driver however, since it doesnt exist anymore (in the OP). Not sure if it'd be worth my time anyway.

2. Thanks, I appreciate it.

3. Hmm interesting, I didnt know that.

4. This is the program that I use to check if TRIM is working anyway. I hadnt downloaded the 64bit version however, I've been using the 32bit one for many years now (even on 64bit windows).

5. I have the Realtek PCIe 2.5GbE Family one, so yeah I guess I wont update them.

I wanted to ask one thing: Ever since I switched to a Ryzen system (coming from Intel), I noticed that the storage controller drivers installed on Windows show up like this:

As you can see it says "ATA Channel 0/1/4/5", while on my older Intel system it said SCSI-something. It wasnt identified as ATA or SATA, it was SCSI something.
If I double-click on one of them, then go to advanced settings, it says ATA Disk - Ultra DMA Mode 6.

Now, correct me if I am wrong, but Ultra DMA Mode 6 for ATA Disks is basically the best speeds that IDE HDDs ever reached, capping at 133MB/s bandwidth.

I dont have any speed issues, I am able to get the full advertised speed on my Samsung 860 EVO.
Its just that its strange that it shows up like that. I know it has to do with the drivers, but....why?

Thanks again

reply

#648 | RE: [Solution] Win7/8.1 Drivers for USB 3.0/3.1 Controllers of new AMD Chipset Systems datum

Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:10 pm

@Morpheas

I'm assuming your motherboard is old enough to still have this type of hardware.
Do you know your motherboards make/model?

out of curiosity can you post the hardware IDs for the devices under IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers?

reply

#649 | RE: [Solution] Win7/8.1 Drivers for USB 3.0/3.1 Controllers of new AMD Chipset Systems datum

Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:26 pm (Last edited: Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:30 pm)

Zitat von infuscomus im Beitrag #648
@Morpheas

I'm assuming your motherboard is old enough to still have this type of hardware.
Do you know your motherboards make/model?

out of curiosity can you post the hardware IDs for the devices under IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers?

Old enough to have IDE and not Sata? lol no.
Its an MSI B350 Tomahawk, with the latest BIOS.

Yeah I can post the hardware IDs:

AMD Sata Controller:
PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_7901&SUBSYS_7A341462&REV_51
PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_7901&SUBSYS_7A341462
PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_7901&CC_010601
PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_7901&CC_0106

ATA Channel 0-5:
1022-43b7
Internal_IDE_Channel

Standard AHCI 1.0 Serial ATA Controller:
PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_43B7&SUBSYS_10621B21&REV_02
PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_43B7&SUBSYS_10621B21
PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_43B7&CC_010601
PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_43B7&CC_0106

I get that its a B350 chipset, but IDE? Come on, its been long abandoned by basically every manufacturer out there.

P.S. The storage drivers are the same ones linked in the op (cannonkong's). Never had an issue, and they're digitally signed.

reply

#650 | RE: [Solution] Win7/8.1 Drivers for USB 3.0/3.1 Controllers of new AMD Chipset Systems datum

Tue Jul 06, 2021 8:55 pm (Last edited: Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:01 pm)

@Morpheas

Since your board only has SATA connectors (no PATA), what happens if you uninstall the drivers in Windows and reboot? If they re-install, check that all of your drives are set to AHCI in the bios. Also, what types of drives are connected (mechanical, DVD, CD, etc.)?

reply

#651 | RE: [Solution] Win7/8.1 Drivers for USB 3.0/3.1 Controllers of new AMD Chipset Systems datum

Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:56 pm

Zitat von ryegrass im Beitrag #650
@Morpheas

Since your board only has SATA connectors (no PATA), what happens if you uninstall the drivers in Windows and reboot? If they re-install, check that all of your drives are set to AHCI in the bios. Also, what types of drives are connected (mechanical, DVD, CD, etc.)?

I dont really want to uninstall them, what if I cant boot into windows after that?
I'll do a full system backup one of these days, and then mess around with that, just to be safe.
All of the drives are set to AHCI, but I will check again.
The drives are 3 HDD and 1 SSD (system/OS).

reply

#652 | RE: [Solution] Win7/8.1 Drivers for USB 3.0/3.1 Controllers of new AMD Chipset Systems datum

Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:14 pm

Zitat von Morpheas im Beitrag #651
@Morpheas

OK, I understand your concerns. I use Macrium Reflect (they have a free edition) to image my drive before making any changes I think might result in not being able to boot Windows. I don't have any of those IDE/ATAPI controllers listed in my device manager even though I have a DVD drive, and installed a mechanical drive just to check.

reply

#653 | RE: [Solution] Win7/8.1 Drivers for USB 3.0/3.1 Controllers of new AMD Chipset Systems datum

Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:15 pm (Last edited: Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:05 pm)

@ryegrass
Welp, I now have a new issue, and its because of those Windows 8 Drivers from MDL:

https://i.postimg.cc/prSfgmV2/External-Disk.jpg

It simply fails to recognize and install the HDDs from my docking station. It used to work perfectly fine.

I tried all the USB ports in the back, no luck.

reply

#654 | RE: [Solution] Win7/8.1 Drivers for USB 3.0/3.1 Controllers of new AMD Chipset Systems datum

Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:02 pm (Last edited: Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:02 pm)

Ok, so apparently I am an idiot, because the USB 3/XHCI driver stack for Windows 7 from MDL clearly include a USB Attached SCSI (UAS) Compatible Device (uaspstor.sys) driver, which is specifically for those external drives that werent working for me.
DERP

Anyway, I got it working, by simply installing this driver manually. Was super-easy.

Although in my defense, I learned about UASP after I tried those drivers from MDL, so.....yeah.

@ryegrass
As for the storage drivers. I uninstalled them all after doing a full system backup (yes I used Macrium Reflect, I've been using it for years now, best program I ever found, has literally saved me from a complete format several times now).
When I uninstall, Windows asks for a restart for the changes to take effect.
After restarting, there was no BSOD or any issue whatsoever, but upon logging into Windows, it simply re-installs the exact same drivers by itself.

The reason for this is because Windows installs the latest working driver by default, automatically. I did some tests with the USB drivers, and the same thing happens as well.
If there are 2 recent drivers and 1 is digitally signed and the other one is not, Windows prefers the digitally signed one.

For example, if I uninstall "AMD USB3 Host Controller" and "AMD USB 3.0 Hub", it will auto-install one non-digitally signed driver from canonkong (2.0.0.49) and one digitally signed one also from canonkong (2.0.0.60).
It doesnt have any other known compatible drivers to choose from.

Basically, I am not sure what we were supposed to find out from this exercise. I did try changing the "AMD Sata Controller" to "Standard AHCI 1.0 Serial ATA Controller", but all this did is create 2 new dummy "ATA Channel 0" which I know they do nothing, because they didnt have any listed devices attached to them, and my motherboard has 4 Sata connectors total, all of which are occupied. So 6 ATA channels wouldnt make sense.

I double-checked again, TRIM is working and they are all set to AHCI in the BIOS.

Seriously, this is what those drivers give me in the Device Manager. I think only a different driver would change that.

Let me know what you think.
Sorry for the long post.

reply

#655 | RE: [Solution] Win7/8.1 Drivers for USB 3.0/3.1 Controllers of new AMD Chipset Systems datum

Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:09 pm

@Morpheas

I think you might need to clear the windows driver cache, although I don't remember exactly how to do this.

reply

#656 | RE: [Solution] Win7/8.1 Drivers for USB 3.0/3.1 Controllers of new AMD Chipset Systems datum

Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:31 pm (Last edited: Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:31 pm)

Zitat von infuscomus im Beitrag #655
@Morpheas

I think you might need to clear the windows driver cache, although I don't remember exactly how to do this.

I have Driver Store Explorer v0.11.72, if thats relevant to what you're saying.
But why do that though?

If Windows doesnt have anything to install upon booting, then wont that cause a boot fail?

reply

#657 | RE: [Solution] Win7/8.1 Drivers for USB 3.0/3.1 Controllers of new AMD Chipset Systems datum

Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:01 pm

Zitat von Morpheas im Beitrag #656
Morpheas

I wouldn't really worry about the extra drivers if everything is working properly. The reason for uninstalling them then rebooting was to see if they were actually being used, as opposed to being leftovers from a previous installation. When I originally migrated from a Sandy Bridge 2600K Asus P8P67 board there were still leftover Intel drivers (despite my having uninstalled all drivers before transferring the operating system).

Every motherboard and installation is different, so even though they really don't appear to be necessary, you know the old saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

reply

#658 | RE: [Solution] Win7/8.1 Drivers for USB 3.0/3.1 Controllers of new AMD Chipset Systems datum

Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:57 am

Zitat von ryegrass im Beitrag #657
Zitat von Morpheas im Beitrag #656
Morpheas

I wouldn't really worry about the extra drivers if everything is working properly. The reason for uninstalling them then rebooting was to see if they were actually being used, as opposed to being leftovers from a previous installation. When I originally migrated from a Sandy Bridge 2600K Asus P8P67 board there were still leftover Intel drivers (despite my having uninstalled all drivers before transferring the operating system).

Every motherboard and installation is different, so even though they really don't appear to be necessary, you know the old saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

I agree with that old saying, and its part of the reason why I was hesitant to mess with it in the first place.
Nevertheless, here's what I find in the Driver Store every time I check it:

I've highlighted the drivers.
Those 3 names are from my old setup (Qualcomm Atheros, Intel 7 Series, Intel USB 3.0).
If you check closely however, it says amdhxc.inf, Advanced Micro Devices, and 2.0.0.60.
This is why I havent actually removed those. I dont think they are in use even.

I just dont understand where in the hell it found the description of my old hardware, and attached it to those drivers.
Really bizarre.

reply

#659 | RE: [Solution] Win7/8.1 Drivers for USB 3.0/3.1 Controllers of new AMD Chipset Systems datum

Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:17 pm

Morpheas

Zitat von Morpheas im Beitrag #658
Morpheas

Since you've made an image of your C drive, there wouldn't be any problem removing any suspect drivers with Driver Store Explorer as it will tell you if a driver is in use before removal. You can then remove them one at a time and reboot, checking Device Manager each time to see if all of your hardware is still working correctly.

reply

#660 | RE: [Solution] Win7/8.1 Drivers for USB 3.0/3.1 Controllers of new AMD Chipset Systems datum

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:04 am

Zitat von ryegrass im Beitrag #659
Morpheas

Zitat von Morpheas im Beitrag #658
Morpheas

Since you've made an image of your C drive, there wouldn't be any problem removing any suspect drivers with Driver Store Explorer as it will tell you if a driver is in use before removal. You can then remove them one at a time and reboot, checking Device Manager each time to see if all of your hardware is still working correctly.

Yeah I did it, removed them. There wasn't any problem.
Thanks for all your help and time, I think I learned something from this.

Cheers

reply

[GUIDE] How to get Win7 clean installed onto an NVMe SSD � � Installing i225-v ethernet drivers (W10 drivers) on windows 7?

Page 44 of 50 � Page 1 ... 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 ... 50 Page �

Please enter a reason for warning.