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#16 | RE: 8200 SFF ivy bridge support datum

Wed May 15, 2019 10:44 am (Last edited: Wed May 15, 2019 12:03 pm)

Sorry in advance @OP for the partial thread hijack:

Do you guys know if that Q67 Express PCH (BD82Q67 PCH) could wear an i7-2700K .. ?
I ask because all of the Manufacturer's latest docu for that machine are outdated from Q1 2011. They all mentions i7-2600K being the max supported Sandy Bridge CPU, but given the i7-2700K was released Q4 2011 (couples month after all of the latest official docu), could this explain why the i7-2700K not on the list ?

Also, every references, (benchmarks baseline, user reports, documentations, forum thread) I found in this regards all mentions the i7-2600K as the max supported CPU as well...
I could stop my search there, but I feel like the outdated-yet-latest official docu has just mislead everyone.. I can't figure why would the i7-2700K not be supported when the 2600K is. The only two differences with the 2600K I can see is the CPUiGPU IGP being an Intel HD Graphic 3000 rather than a 2000, and that 2700K's TurboBoost max clock is just a tad higher (3.9Ghz vs 3.8Ghz for the 2600K) .... I can't find anything in the 2700K specs that would invalidate it as a supported CPU on that Q67 PCH..

I ask because I still have one of these old i7-2700K .. still wrapped brand new in original box.. I've just never opened it for some reason.. Sure I could just test it right away and see.. but I wanted to ask first ...

My PC is the CMT model of the 8200 (HP Compaq Elite 8200 CMT) (board model#: 1494). It's based on Sugar Bay platform (2nd Gen Sandy-bridge-DT CPU, Cougar Point-based PCH). It currently runs an i7-2600 (non-K), so I thought... why not getting that poor 2700K off the dust..

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#17 | RE: 8200 SFF ivy bridge support datum

Wed May 15, 2019 12:47 pm

@LiduN - should be OK, provided you are on latest BIOS, both use same 206A7 micrcocode

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#18 | RE: 8200 SFF ivy bridge support datum

Wed May 15, 2019 1:46 pm

I'm on latest Bios (J01 v02.32 - 05/10/2018) but this version was released to address Meltdown/Spectre specifically.
However, i'm still using Win7 (UEFIed).. I can't install this KB4465065: Intel microcode updates https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4465065 as they made it for Windows 10 only...
Should this be a concern ?

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#19 | RE: 8200 SFF ivy bridge support datum

Thu May 16, 2019 4:55 am

I don't see them removing the microcode that supports 2600K, so unless they specifically blocked 2700K then it should have always worked from release date until now.

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#20 | RE: 8200 SFF ivy bridge support datum

Thu May 16, 2019 5:29 am

There is no reason why it can't take a 2700K. A 2700K is just a slightly higher binned 2600K with no architectural differences.

PC Specs: Intel QL32 Xeon Engineering Sample, MSI B150A Gaming Pro, 32GB DDR4, GTX 1060 3GB

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#21 | RE: 8200 SFF ivy bridge support datum

Thu May 16, 2019 5:57 am

Ok, I might try putting this 2700K in tomorrow.. Thanks (will report back for sure)

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#22 | RE: 8200 SFF ivy bridge support datum

Thu May 16, 2019 2:50 pm

It is working on coreboot.

HP 8200 Elite + i5-3470

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#23 | RE: 8200 SFF ivy bridge support datum

Fri May 17, 2019 12:51 pm (Last edited: Fri May 17, 2019 12:51 pm)

I think 1600 Mhz DDR3 and PCIe 3.0 works also.

But windows installer BSOD with ACPI BIOS ERROR, but it did not make any difference with i5-2400.

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#24 | RE: 8200 SFF ivy bridge support datum

Wed May 29, 2019 9:09 pm (Last edited: Wed May 29, 2019 9:28 pm)

unfortunately, neither the SFF (OP's build), and CMT (mine) support PCIe 3.0, nor 1600 MHz DIMM modules
as per latest HP's latest docu:

[DIMM]:
requirement:
■ 1.5 volt non-ecc SDRAM DIMMs
■ Unbuffered, compatible with SPD rev. 1.0
■ CAS latency (CL) of 7 for 1066-MHz memory and CL of 9 for 1333-MHz memory
■ Single or double-sided DIMMs
max supported: ~~16GBs (2011 docu)~~ 32GBs (2013 docu) of PC3 10600 (DDR3 1333 MHz)
unsupported: Ultra Low Voltage (DDR3U) modules.

[PCIe]
As for PCIe, I haven't seen any mention of support for PCIe 3.0, only 2.0..
Note that some model have power limitation on the PCIe slots.. ie: populating the PCIe x4 slot on my CMT reduces the maximum allowed Watt on x16 to 35Watt (75W if x4 is unpopulated, 35W if x4 populated)..

Note that all of these date from 2013 (yet, most current) doc, so chances are that some of above's requirement are outdated.

goodies:

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#25 | RE: 8200 SFF ivy bridge support datum

Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:28 am

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Registered since:	04.01.2018

i5-2400

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ubuntu-studio@ubuntu-studio:~$ sudo lscpu
Architecture:        x86_64
CPU op-mode(s):      32-bit, 64-bit
Byte Order:          Little Endian
Address sizes:       36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
CPU(s):              4
On-line CPU(s) list: 0-3
Thread(s) per core:  1
Core(s) per socket:  4
Socket(s):           1
NUMA node(s):        1
Vendor ID:           GenuineIntel
CPU family:          6
Model:               42
Model name:          Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2400 CPU @ 3.10GHz
Stepping:            7
CPU MHz:             1621.540
CPU max MHz:         3400.0000
CPU min MHz:         1600.0000
BogoMIPS:            6185.66
Virtualization:      VT-x
L1d cache:           32K
L1i cache:           32K
L2 cache:            256K
L3 cache:            6144K
NUMA node0 CPU(s):   0-3
Flags:               fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc cpuid aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx lahf_lm epb pti ssbd ibrs ibpb stibp tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid xsaveopt dtherm ida arat pln pts flush_l1d
ubuntu-studio@ubuntu-studio:~$ cat /sys/class/drm/card0/device/pp_dpm_pcie 
0: 2.5GT/s, x8 *
1: 5.0GT/s, x16 
ubuntu-studio@ubuntu-studio:~$ sudo dmidecode --type memory
# dmidecode 3.2
Getting SMBIOS data from sysfs.
SMBIOS 2.7 present.
 
Handle 0x0009, DMI type 17, 40 bytes
Memory Device
	Array Handle: 0x0000
	Error Information Handle: Not Provided
	Total Width: 64 bits
	Data Width: 64 bits
	Size: 4096 MB
	Form Factor: DIMM
	Set: None
	Locator: Channel-0-DIMM-1
	Bank Locator: BANK 0
	Type: DDR3
	Type Detail: Synchronous
	Speed: 666 MT/s
	Manufacturer: Crucial
	Serial Number: fc632d62
	Asset Tag: Not Specified
	Part Number: 16JTF51264AZ-1G4
	Rank: 2
	Configured Memory Speed: 666 MT/s
	Minimum Voltage: Unknown
	Maximum Voltage: Unknown
	Configured Voltage: Unknown
 
Handle 0x000A, DMI type 17, 40 bytes
Memory Device
	Array Handle: 0x0000
	Error Information Handle: Not Provided
	Total Width: 64 bits
	Data Width: 64 bits
	Size: 4096 MB
	Form Factor: DIMM
	Set: None
	Locator: Channel-1-DIMM-1
	Bank Locator: BANK 0
	Type: DDR3
	Type Detail: Synchronous
	Speed: 666 MT/s
	Manufacturer: Crucial
	Serial Number: fc632d5f
	Asset Tag: Not Specified
	Part Number: 16JTF51264AZ-1G4
	Rank: 2
	Configured Memory Speed: 666 MT/s
	Minimum Voltage: Unknown
	Maximum Voltage: Unknown
	Configured Voltage: Unknown
 
 

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ubuntu-studio@ubuntu-studio:~$ sudo lscpu
Architecture:        x86_64
CPU op-mode(s):      32-bit, 64-bit
Byte Order:          Little Endian
Address sizes:       36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
CPU(s):              4
On-line CPU(s) list: 0-3
Thread(s) per core:  1
Core(s) per socket:  4
Socket(s):           1
NUMA node(s):        1
Vendor ID:           GenuineIntel
CPU family:          6
Model:               58
Model name:          Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3470 CPU @ 3.20GHz
Stepping:            9
CPU MHz:             3458.328
CPU max MHz:         3600.0000
CPU min MHz:         1600.0000
BogoMIPS:            6385.67
Virtualization:      VT-x
L1d cache:           32K
L1i cache:           32K
L2 cache:            256K
L3 cache:            6144K
NUMA node0 CPU(s):   0-3
Flags:               fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc cpuid aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm cpuid_fault epb pti ssbd ibrs ibpb stibp tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid fsgsbase smep erms xsaveopt dtherm ida arat pln pts flush_l1d
ubuntu-studio@ubuntu-studio:~$ cat /sys/class/drm/card0/device/pp_dpm_pcie
0: 2.5GT/s, x8 *
1: 8.0GT/s, x16 
ubuntu-studio@ubuntu-studio:~$ sudo dmidecode --type memory
# dmidecode 3.2
Getting SMBIOS data from sysfs.
SMBIOS 2.7 present.
 
Handle 0x0009, DMI type 17, 40 bytes
Memory Device
	Array Handle: 0x0000
	Error Information Handle: Not Provided
	Total Width: 64 bits
	Data Width: 64 bits
	Size: 2048 MB
	Form Factor: DIMM
	Set: None
	Locator: Channel-0-DIMM-1
	Bank Locator: BANK 0
	Type: DDR3
	Type Detail: Synchronous
	Speed: 800 MT/s
	Manufacturer: Unknown (9b85)
	Serial Number: a622f6c5
	Asset Tag: Not Specified
	Part Number: CT25664BD160B.C8
	Rank: 1
	Configured Memory Speed: 800 MT/s
	Minimum Voltage: Unknown
	Maximum Voltage: Unknown
	Configured Voltage: Unknown
 
Handle 0x000A, DMI type 17, 40 bytes
Memory Device
	Array Handle: 0x0000
	Error Information Handle: Not Provided
	Total Width: 64 bits
	Data Width: 64 bits
	Size: 2048 MB
	Form Factor: DIMM
	Set: None
	Locator: Channel-1-DIMM-1
	Bank Locator: BANK 0
	Type: DDR3
	Type Detail: Synchronous
	Speed: 800 MT/s
	Manufacturer: Unknown (9b85)
	Serial Number: a917273e
	Asset Tag: Not Specified
	Part Number: CT25664BD160B.C8
	Rank: 1
	Configured Memory Speed: 800 MT/s
	Minimum Voltage: Unknown
	Maximum Voltage: Unknown
	Configured Voltage: Unknown
 
 

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#26 | RE: 8200 SFF ivy bridge support datum

Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:29 am (Last edited: Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:31 am)

^

So, link speed 5GT/s vs 8GT/s

Ram speed: 666MT/s vs 800MT/s

16x pcie is directly wired to CPU, so that memory controller also live in CPU. Either other is not depending chipset limitations.

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#27 | RE: 8200 SFF ivy bridge support datum

Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:40 pm

Zitat von raun0 im Beitrag #22
It is working on coreboot.

HP 8200 Elite + i5-3470

That means the 8200 mobo which bios modded by someone or release by official support ivb CPU?

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#28 | RE: 8200 SFF ivy bridge support datum

Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:56 pm (Last edited: Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:57 pm)

Zitat von gloobox im Beitrag #27
Zitat von raun0 im Beitrag #22
It is working on coreboot.

HP 8200 Elite + i5-3470

That means the 8200 mobo which bios modded by someone or release by official support ivb CPU?

Neither.

coreboot - coreboot.org

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#29 | RE: 8200 SFF ivy bridge support datum

Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:38 am (Last edited: Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:38 am)

Zitat von Lost_N_BIOS im Beitrag #19
I don't see them removing the microcode that supports 2600K, so unless they specifically blocked 2700K then it should have always worked from release date until now.

Zitat von _haru im Beitrag #20
There is no reason why it can't take a 2700K. A 2700K is just a slightly higher binned 2600K with no architectural differences.

i7-2700K confirmed working on the 1494 (HP Compaq 8200 Elite CMT model, not SFF).
see Passmark Baseline ID 1249733

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#30 | RE: 8200 SFF ivy bridge support datum

Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:06 am

Zitat von raun0 im Beitrag #28
Zitat von gloobox im Beitrag #27
Zitat von raun0 im Beitrag #22
It is working on coreboot.

HP 8200 Elite + i5-3470

That means the 8200 mobo which bios modded by someone or release by official support ivb CPU?

Neither.

coreboot - (removed link from this quote because I am a new user lol)

sorry, I know this is an old thread, but how do you install coreboot?

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