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#16 | RE: Updating BIOS of Gigabyte P35C-DS3R datum

Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:28 am (Last edited: Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:52 am)

@ yesgrey:
Thanks for your additional report.

Zitat von yesgrey im Beitrag #15
With the 7.5 ROM, all the 5 drives are detected when I enable RAID in the BIOS, however, when I put the modded bios, none of them are detected, only the one connected to the JMB.

Your issue may have something to do with the size of the inserted Intel RAID ROM module. A too strong compression of the ROM file can shrink its functionality.
What is the uncompressed size of the Intel RAID ROM v7.5.0.1017 (you get it by extracting the original ROM module)?

Zitat
Tomorrow I will try with all ROM versions available from the ROMs thread. I will start first with the 8.x versions, which are closer to the one I have now. If even those would not work, then probably none would...

I agree with you.

Zitat
I was only hoping that the problem might be related with any incompatibility with the other ROMs... Do you think it might help trying to update the JMB ROM to the newer version available in the ROMs thread?

No, I don't think that, but you may try to remove the JMicron RAID ROM module for testing purposes (to verify, if your issue is caused by a space problem within the BIOS). If the TRIM modded Intel RST RAID ROM v10.1.0.1008 or v11.2.0.1527 has been inserted below the MINIT module, you may try to remove the LOGO BitMap module to get more space for the Intel RAID ROM one.

Zitat
I also noticed that there was a recent thread about someone with a Gigabyte P35-DS3R that was not having any luck with modded BIOS, so, maybe it's a limitation of these boards, since mine should be very similar to that one... :(

I have never heard about such limitation.

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#17 | RE: Updating BIOS of Gigabyte P35C-DS3R datum

Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:13 pm

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #16

What is the uncompressed size of the Intel RAID ROM v7.5.0.1017?

I put also a few of the others for comparison purposes...
v7.5.0.1017: 64kB
v8.5.0.1030: 64kB
v8.9.1.1002: 80kB
v10.1.0.1008: 85kB
v11.2.0.1527: 119kB

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #16
Your issue may have something to do with the size of the inserted Intel RAID ROM module. A too strong compression of the ROM file can shrink its functionality.

I don't quite understand that... AFAIK the compression of the ROM file is always the same and decided by CBROM, or is there any kind of setting to control that?

What would make some sense to me would be the uncompressed size of the ROM being too big to fit the execution memory (I don't know how the BIOS works, but are the ROMs uncompressed to some kind of RAM to allow them to run then?)

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #16
you may try to remove the JMicron RAID ROM module for testing purposes (to verify, if your issue is caused by a space problem within the BIOS). If the TRIM modded Intel RST RAID ROM v10.1.0.1008 or v11.2.0.1527 has been inserted below the MINIT module, you may try to remove the LOGO BitMap module to get more space for the Intel RAID ROM one.

I will give it a try with removing the JMicron RAID ROM. It's size is 31kB, so, by removing it I might be able to run the V10.1.0.1008, which is 85kB, less than 95kB (64+31). The logo removal was already done by aaaaaa889 and it only helped getting space for putting the compressed ROMs .

Anyway, I think the definite test would be replacing the v7.5.0.1017 with the v8.5.0.1030. Since they have the same size, if the latter doesn't work then the problem should be in the new ROMs, maybe they had changed them the ROMs with some kind of private data?

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#18 | RE: Updating BIOS of Gigabyte P35C-DS3R datum

Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:27 pm

Zitat von yesgrey im Beitrag #17
Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #16
Your issue may have something to do with the size of the inserted Intel RAID ROM module. A too strong compression of the ROM file can shrink its functionality.
I don't quite understand that... AFAIK the compression of the ROM file is always the same and decided by CBROM, or is there any kind of setting to control that?

No. All BIOS modding tools (in your case: CBROM) can compress the inserted modules and do it until a limited amount, but they do not care about the impact on the functionality of the modules after the compression.

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#19 | RE: Updating BIOS of Gigabyte P35C-DS3R datum

Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:21 pm

Zitat von yesgrey im Beitrag #15
I also noticed that there was a recent thread about someone with a Gigabyte P35-DS3R that was not having any luck with modded BIOS, so, maybe it's a limitation of these boards, since mine should be very similar to that one... :(

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #16
I have never heard about such limitation.

With all due respect, Fernando, I think you have

@yesgrey
If you refer here and here; look under the Gigabyte GA-965P-DS4 (ICH8R) that I tried many times to upgrade in the same way you are. I had to admit defeat and keep using the old AHCI ROM 1.20E (in my case it was purely to stop BSOD errors on a new SSD boot drive with RST drivers, subsequently resolved by reinstallation of the OS; RAID was not an issue). As I stated then, only the JMicron ROM was successfully upgraded and is still working fine with an external backup drive.

My point is, it would appear that some (all?) Gigabyte boards with RAID controllers prior to ICH10R have serious issues utilising a relevant RAID OROM above 8.x (in my case, 6.x!!). Flashing was successful but Windows installation could see no drive on the controller unless the original MSM ROM 6.x was reloaded - that was my experience, and it appears to be yours too! In your case with the ICH9R, it may be worth trying the last 8.x version.

Hope that helps in some way

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#20 | RE: Updating BIOS of Gigabyte P35C-DS3R datum

Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:34 pm (Last edited: Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:37 pm)

Zitat von Iken im Beitrag #19
Zitat von yesgrey im Beitrag #15
I also noticed that there was a recent thread about someone with a Gigabyte P35-DS3R that was not having any luck with modded BIOS, so, maybe it's a limitation of these boards, since mine should be very similar to that one... :(
Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #16
I have never heard about such limitation.
With all due respect, Fernando, I think you have

Thanks for the correction.
Since I am not a youngster anymore (having 3 children and meanwhile 8 grandchildren), I obviously have already a memory leak within my brain.

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#21 | RE: Updating BIOS of Gigabyte P35C-DS3R datum

Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:27 pm

@Iken,

Thanks for your input. I took a look into your thread and it's very similar to the issues I'm having. I also get the messages saying that all the drives connected to the ICH9R are detected and controlled by the ICH9R raid bios, but the Ctrl+I menu never shows up, and, when entering the BIOS setup, no drive shows up on the boot order menu option, only the drives connected to the JMicron controller.

I'm also thinking that might exist any kind of binding between the RAID ROM and the AHCI ROM or any of the others, that's why I am curious to see if the 8.5.0.1030 which has the exact same size of the original one will work. If it doesn't, then it might not be anything related with the ROMs size...

Anyway, I might take a look into the BIOS files from the other boards manufacturers, because people who reported success with the ICH9R are not from Gigabyte... who knows, maybe I could have better luck with ROMs from them?...

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#22 | RE: Updating BIOS of Gigabyte P35C-DS3R datum

Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:57 pm

Zitat von yesgrey im Beitrag #21
I'm also thinking that might exist any kind of binding between the RAID ROM and the AHCI ROM or any of the others, that's why I am curious to see if the 8.5.0.1030 which has the exact same size of the original one will work. If it doesn't, then it might not be anything related with the ROMs size...

That is exactly what I thought but it didn't work - even 8.x ROMs failed to operate in my board, though they did, misleadingly, flash successfully. That doesn't mean you shouldn't try, of course!

Zitat von yesgrey im Beitrag #21
Anyway, I might take a look into the BIOS files from the other boards manufacturers, because people who reported success with the ICH9R are not from Gigabyte... who knows, maybe I could have better luck with ROMs from them?...

I would be very surprised if the same ROM taken from another board would make any difference; I suspect Gigabyte's board/BIOS architecture is the problem here. It may be worth the risk but make sure you have a method to recover your BIOS in the event of a failure; my board has Dual-BIOS. When I tried to update the AHCI ROM with a slightly newer one extracted from a newer board, the DS4 failed to boot and recovered from the backup BIOS automatically.

Good luck!

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#23 | RE: Updating BIOS of Gigabyte P35C-DS3R datum

Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:21 pm

Zitat von Iken im Beitrag #22
I would be very surprised if the same ROM taken from another board would make any difference; I suspect Gigabyte's board/BIOS architecture is the problem here. It may be worth the risk but make sure you have a method to recover your BIOS in the event of a failure; my board has Dual-BIOS. When I tried to update the AHCI ROM with a slightly newer one extracted from a newer board, the DS4 failed to boot and recovered from the backup BIOS automatically.

Thank you very much, you could have just saved my board! ;)
Mine is not Dual BIOS, is a Dual Virtual BIOS, so I don't know if I would risk that... I thought the potential problems were only messing up with the MEMINIT ROM, I didn't know that by using a wrong AHCI ROM we could also get a corrupted BIOS, so, I guess I would not try using the AHCI ROM from a slightly more recent Gigabyte board. I was considering trying with the ones from GA-EX58-UD4P, EP4C-UD3R and EP35-DS4 (even though this one I think it might be exactly the same of mine).

@Fernado
I also found this thread, which, supposedly, has an 8.0 RAID ROM modded to allow TRIM support in RAID-0 on the ICHR9. Is this info still up to date?

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#24 | RE: Updating BIOS of Gigabyte P35C-DS3R datum

Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:44 pm (Last edited: Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:11 pm)

Zitat von yesgrey im Beitrag #23
I also found this thread, which, supposedly, has an 8.0 RAID ROM modded to allow TRIM support in RAID-0 on the ICHR9. Is this info still up to date?

Yes, it is.
Please give us a feedback, when you have tried this OROM version.

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#25 | RE: Updating BIOS of Gigabyte P35C-DS3R datum

Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:37 pm

Ok, here is my report of yesterday's testing...

I will start by saying that there is no binding between the Gigabyte BIOS and the original RAID OROM, because I was able to flash two different ones which worked fine: the 8.5.0.1030 and the 8.0.0.1039 modded by CPL0 to support trim in RAID-0. However, all the others I tried did not work, even though all of them flashed fine: 8.8.0.1009, 8.9.0.1023, 8.9.1.1002, 9.5.0.1037, 9.6.0.1014, 10.1.0.1008, 10.5.1.1070 and 11.2.0.1527. All these tests were done using the modded BIOS that aaaaaa889 did the favor of creating for me. i simply replaced the OROM RAID at the end with each of these versions.

The two that worked fine have something in common with the RAID OROM of the original BIOS: a size of 64kB. I guess the reason for the others not being working it's what CPL0 said here: "Possibly your BIOS can not deal with loading OROMs that are larger than 64k into memory."

Since I was able to flash a modded BIOS with a RAID OROM that was changed to support TRIM, my next step would be creating a RAID array and see if the TRIM is active or not. However, I would like to ask a few questions before doing that...
1) @Fernando or @CPL0 Since I was also able to load the 8.5.0.1030, would you think it would be possible to ask CPL0 if he could add the TRIM mod to this OROM also? I know I have the 8.0.0.1039 with the mod, but I guess using a slightly newer OROM version would not hurt... ;) Is him still following this forum (his last activity here was in April)?

2) Shall I create the RAID array with the BIOS RAID software, or with the Intel RST software on windows?

3) To be faster, I am thinking making a copy of my current system using True Image and then copying it back to the RAID array. Should that work fine? I do not feel in the mood for a fresh install... ;)

Last, but not the least, thank you all for your support! It seems my quest is still not over and the possibility of success is still on my horizon... :)

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#26 | RE: Updating BIOS of Gigabyte P35C-DS3R datum

Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:32 pm (Last edited: Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:35 pm)

@ yesgrey:
Thank you very much for your interesting report.

Zitat von yesgrey im Beitrag #25
Since I was also able to load the 8.5.0.1030, would you think it would be possible to ask CPL0 if he could add the TRIM mod to this OROM also? I know I have the 8.0.0.1039 with the mod, but I guess using a slightly newer OROM version would not hurt... ;) Is him still following this forum (his last activity here was in April)?

Since I know CPL0's BIOS modding method to get TRIM in RAID0 support, I have done it for you. Attached is the Intel MSM RAID ROM v8.5.0.1030, which has been modded by me to support the TRIM in RAID0 feature.

Zitat
Shall I create the RAID array with the BIOS RAID software, or with the Intel RST software on windows?

I recommend to create the RAID array from within the Intel MSM RAID Utility after hitting CTRL+I.

Zitat
To be faster, I am thinking making a copy of my current system using True Image and then copying it back to the RAID array. Should that work fine?

That should work, although I would always prefer a clean install of the OS.

Good luck!
Fernando

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Intel-MSM_RAID-ROM_v8.5.0.1030_TRIM-mod-acc-CPL0.rar

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#27 | RE: Updating BIOS of Gigabyte P35C-DS3R datum

Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:09 pm

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #26
Since I know CPL0's BIOS modding method to get TRIM in RAID0 support, I have done it for you. Attached is the Intel MSM RAID ROM v8.5.0.1030, which has been modded by me to support the TRIM in RAID0 feature.

Thanks a lot! :)

I will try it and then report back if I was able to make TRIM work in RAID0.

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#28 | RE: Updating BIOS of Gigabyte P35C-DS3R datum

Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:59 pm

It has been taking me quite a little bit of time, because after several failed attempts of trying to copy my current OS installation to the RAID array I decided to quit and go with a clean install instead.

I'm now at the phase of drivers' installation. I have installed the official RST 11.2 software package directly downloaded from Intel's website. Will I be fine with it, or do I need to use the ones you supply here in the forum? It's strange, because I had the idea that these drivers could not be installed on my chipset (P35) without your mod, but they installed pretty fine, so, I guess I was wrong... :)

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#29 | RE: Updating BIOS of Gigabyte P35C-DS3R datum

Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:40 pm

Zitat von yesgrey im Beitrag #28
I have installed the official RST 11.2 software package directly downloaded from Intel's website. Will I be fine with it, or do I need to use the ones you supply here in the forum?

I am offering >here< the exact same package. So your choice doesn't matter.

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#30 | RE: Updating BIOS of Gigabyte P35C-DS3R datum

Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:33 pm

Zitat von yesgrey im Beitrag #28
It's strange, because I had the idea that these drivers could not be installed on my chipset (P35) without your mod, but they installed pretty fine, so, I guess I was wrong... :)

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag Intel(R) RST/RSTe Drivers (newest: v13.1.0.1058/v4.1.0.1046 WHQL)

Intel RST AHCI/RAID Drivers & Software Set v11.2.0.1006 WHQL
Note: These drivers are dated 05/30/2012 and suitable for AHCI/RAID systems from ICH7R/M up to 7-Series Chipsets, except X79 running in RSTe RAID mode (DEV_2826) and ICH8R/M+ICH9R in AHCI mode.[/li][/ul]

Just for clarification, I was not wrong... I was running my board in AHCI mode, hence why I had to use your modded drivers, and now, in RAID mode, the official drivers work, exactly as you state in the drivers' thread.

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