@Lost_N_BIOS No change after flashing Edit1, does it make sense to still flash Edit2? I'm guessing I should see something with Edit1 if NVRAM modification has any affect, correct? If it doesn't even post after Edit2, there's not much I'd be able to tell you anyway.

@Johnazz I've already tried to fully disable iGFX and use dGFX, it does NOT work. Optimus keeps iGFX on until it needs the dGFX (and for external outputs as it's wired to that). I don't think we will see much headway with hackintosh in that regard. It's up to the software/OS to control the GPU with muxless setups.

@nimaim - yes, please always test all BIOS I send, thanks. And for that particular set, VERY different edits (#2 has entire "Setup" part of NVRAM erased) Yes, if no post that doesn't help, but it does let us know don't do that again
And no, edit 1 was just a guess edit, I changed a few bytes I thought maybe would be menu tabs vs other things I knew was not.
I should have mentioned before too, for these clear CMOS after flash then (always) load optimized and reboot to check, if you can get into BIOS, sorry I forgot about this but it's important for this particular test set.
No need to redo test one, it's OK, check test 2, clear CMOS then load optimal and look in BIOS after reboot.

@Lost_N_BIOS Sorry, as it's weekdays, been busy with work ... I should have some time to test this after work tomorrow.

@nimaim no problem! Nimaim and anyone else with a flash programmer, I have high hopes for some in this new set here, I think I found it now in AMITSE and no assembly work required!
I plan to test similar method on some random board I have here now, just need to find one with similar BIOS layout (Asus or Gigabyte Z170 probably)
But yes, please also let me know outcome of the #2 on NVRAM set when you have time, just in case, plus will be good to know what happens when you do that to an entire NVRAM entry
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?fil...521905574413651 << 160MB unpacked / 16x BIOS

Please first test all four in "Highest Hopes" folder, then +BCP, then others in less faith last

Also, here is my notes on my findings within AMITSE, in case this helps anyone else looking into this or tinkering around
From Setup >>
Visible
Form: Main, FormId: 0x2711 {01 86 11 27 51 17}
Form: Advanced, FormId: 0x2712 {01 86 12 27 52 17}
Form: Security, FormId: 0x2713 {01 86 13 27 53 17}
Form: Boot, FormId: 0x2714 {01 86 14 27 54 17}
Form: Exit, FormId: 0x2715 {01 86 15 27 55 17}
Form: Tablet, FormId: 0x2716 {01 86 16 27 56 17} *Not visible* (not in AMITSE tables either, may explain "17" yet still hidden, unsure - this "17" throws me for a loop)

Not Visible/hidden
Form: Main, FormId: 0x2717 {01 86 17 27 09 00}
Form: Advanced, FormId: 0x2718 {01 86 18 27 1E 00}
Form: Chipset, FormId: 0x2719 {01 86 19 27 1F 00}
Form: Security, FormId: 0x271A {01 86 1A 27 3A 00}
Form: Boot, FormId: 0x271B {01 86 1B 27 20 00}
Form: Save & Exit, FormId: 0x271C {01 86 1C 27 4E 00}

*Note missing 5X "17" at end on hidden forms = add "17" as test & 5x 17 as second test (Both ways fail, changes menu to other items, still may need to be investigated further)

** Please Note ** - All addresses/offsets below are off by a few bytes, gathered this info on a file I removed bytes from beginning of (Up to 4d 5a) to open file in IDA properly.

From AMITSE/PE32 >>

@ >> 00055c64 ("ALL" Main Menu Entries, swap locations possibly, probably not needed)
4a 10 59 7b 0d c0 58 41 87 ff f0 4d 63 96 a9 15 17 27 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
4a 10 59 7b 0d c0 58 41 87 ff f0 4d 63 96 a9 15 18 27 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
4a 10 59 7b 0d c0 58 41 87 ff f0 4d 63 96 a9 15 19 27 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
4a 10 59 7b 0d c0 58 41 87 ff f0 4d 63 96 a9 15 1a 27 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
4a 10 59 7b 0d c0 58 41 87 ff f0 4d 63 96 a9 15 1b 27 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
4a 10 59 7b 0d c0 58 41 87 ff f0 4d 63 96 a9 15 1c 27 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
4a 10 59 7b 0d c0 58 41 87 ff f0 4d 63 96 a9 15 11 27 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
4a 10 59 7b 0d c0 58 41 87 ff f0 4d 63 96 a9 15 12 27 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
4a 10 59 7b 0d c0 58 41 87 ff f0 4d 63 96 a9 15 13 27 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
4a 10 59 7b 0d c0 58 41 87 ff f0 4d 63 96 a9 15 14 27 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
4a 10 59 7b 0d c0 58 41 87 ff f0 4d 63 96 a9 15 15 27 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

@ >> 00055e84 (Looks like block of only hidden) = swap (After figure out & get both enabled) or FF/00?
4a 10 59 7b 0d c0 58 41 87 ff f0 4d 63 96 a9 15 17 27 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
4a 10 59 7b 0d c0 58 41 87 ff f0 4d 63 96 a9 15 18 27 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
4a 10 59 7b 0d c0 58 41 87 ff f0 4d 63 96 a9 15 19 27 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
4a 10 59 7b 0d c0 58 41 87 ff f0 4d 63 96 a9 15 1a 27 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
4a 10 59 7b 0d c0 58 41 87 ff f0 4d 63 96 a9 15 1b 27 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
4a 10 59 7b 0d c0 58 41 87 ff f0 4d 63 96 a9 15 1c 27 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

& @ >> 000534c4 (only non-visible entries, except Setup) = swap (After figure out, to hide duplicate) or FF/00? May need multi/combo test, swap above + FF/00 here or FF/00 here nothing above + "17" change at setup etc
10 27 17 27 19 27 18 27 1a 27 1b 27 1c 27

10 27 = Setup (Main Setup Entry, also hidden as a general default in most all BIOS I suppose)
17 27 ^ Is above ^ (Hidden Main)
19 27 ^ Is above ^ (Hidden Chipset)
18 27 ^ Is above ^ (Hidden Advanced)
1a 27 ^ Is above ^ (Hidden Security)
1b 27 ^ Is above ^ (Hidden Boot)
1c 27 ^ Is above ^ (Hidden Save & Exit)

*** General concepts/thoughts used above confirmed and working on Z170N-Gaming5 ***
However, since that board is a UEFI with heavily graphical BIOS, the name for the tab does not show nor it's "name section".
Only original tabs are there, but scrolling to where it should be it's replaced the last menu and then the actual last is past the new one but off screen.
So, even if you do not see it, in case this happens on this board, scroll right to left past the first/last sections visible to make sure if it's there or not and just not visible (hope you get what I mean)
If it also happens on these systems we'll have to figure that out next, but I'm betting this is only due to this boards UEFI/GUI BIOS layout and predefined graphics for the tabs and tab area

Now I have super high hopes and am sure we'll get there for this board if one of the above BIOS do not do it already!!
The Gigabyte BIOS was a bit different, had two top and bottom sections like you see above, with one missing entry on top, so I added in.
There was no third section (000534c4) in this BIOS AMITSE, where I think are the hidden entry list above, since they aren't trying to hide things in that BIOS, so it's a little different, but similar concept and most importantly... Success!!!

Zitat von Lost_N_BIOS im Beitrag #94

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Also, here is my notes on my findings within AMITSE, in case this helps anyone else looking into this or tinkering around
From Setup >>
Visible
Form: Main, FormId: 0x2711 {01 86 11 27 51 17}
Form: Advanced, FormId: 0x2712 {01 86 12 27 52 17}
Form: Security, FormId: 0x2713 {01 86 13 27 53 17}
Form: Boot, FormId: 0x2714 {01 86 14 27 54 17}
Form: Exit, FormId: 0x2715 {01 86 15 27 55 17}
Form: Tablet, FormId: 0x2716 {01 86 16 27 56 17} *Not visible* (not in AMITSE tables either, may explain "17" yet still hidden, unsure - this "17" throws me for a loop)

Not Visible/hidden
Form: Main, FormId: 0x2717 {01 86 17 27 09 00}
Form: Advanced, FormId: 0x2718 {01 86 18 27 1E 00}
Form: Chipset, FormId: 0x2719 {01 86 19 27 1F 00}
Form: Security, FormId: 0x271A {01 86 1A 27 3A 00}
Form: Boot, FormId: 0x271B {01 86 1B 27 20 00}
Form: Save & Exit, FormId: 0x271C {01 86 1C 27 4E 00}

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Thanks all, I will try all these suggestions tonight! Looks like you made a lot of head way @Lost_N_BIOS. Let's see what happens!

@CPL0 Thanks for the info. that helps explain the "17" and why trying to use it and or other 5x with it fail (even when not used in other settings). So on one of the hidden (Main) does that mean it's Form Title 0x0090 = Main (Second, something, hidden etc)
I think I may have figured it out, at least I have and confirmed it for similar BIOS. Which AMITSE SubRoutine would that 0x7A be in, I can let you know if I've already sent him an edited file with that change.
I think I included a bunch of AMITSE edited routines this time around, but most of those were before I found these menu strings. So they might work, but I have more hope in the later edits where I edited the strings above rather than changing path directions.
Changing paths and skipping jumps was my first main goal in setup and AMITSE, but I was trying blind without knowing how to ID to tabs in any of the coding.

@nimaim - yes, I think I got it! I planned to confirm similar changes on my end first, but got excited and sent before testing on my end. Then after posting I finally took the time to setup a board and create a test BIOS here.
I forgot to mention above, the changes did not matter until I tried BCP post-edit to user, so probably same may apply to your BIOS too, especially since yours is specifically trying to hide/skip and mine wasn't but still needed that change post-main-edit.
So you should first test "Highest Hopes +BCP" folder BIOS first. If success, for now you will have duplicate ADV, I left in place all old menu entries until we figure out the unlock/unhide, then I will clean it all up once we've got it sorted out.

@Lost_N_BIOS seems you absolutely did get it! Many, many thanks to your hard work and time put in.

Here are the results:

Highest Hopes + BCP:

Hidremx2U.rom: No change
Hidremx2CuA4U.rom: On bootup, got error saying "SystemBootOrder not found ... Reset System" and it boot loops, cannot go into BIOS or anywhere else, had to use programmer to recover
Hidremx2L00U.rom & Hidremx2LFFU.rom: BOTH WORKED! Fully unlocked second Advanced and Chipset menus after the stock Exit menu! See attached.

I guess we can also clean it up now, although it's totally not necessary, just a nice to have. I guess it's also worth unlocking the other menus like the second hidden Main which provides additional system details. If I understood how you did this, I can do the rest myself :)

Would it be possible to provide some crude instructions? I'm hoping to turn it into a guide as MANY other bioses seem to be this way.

EDIT: Looks like you did explain it above, I will read it more carefully tomorrow and try to figure it out.

@nimaim - Awesome news, thank you for all the testing too!
Thanks for the images, I mentioned in PM I'd need to see all subsections within but wow that is a lot on the ADV. Can you, when time permits, look through (or image) so you can see on your end, if everything is there in each one vs what you see in AMIBCP.

And yes, I always planned to clean up, once we figured out method. I planned to enable all the best menu's, and hide the other limited menu's. And I'm pretty sure I can rearrange them as well.

Thanks for testing results on those 4 above. I thought 00/FF would work, just wasn't sure if one was better than the other so made both ways to see if results were same or not.

Yes, please see above notes for most info. For the 00/FF edit I will "try" to explain briefly what to do below

Open BIOS in UEFITool, extract Setup's PE32 module as-is, then use Universal IFR extractor to get IFR for the file, this will give you your main menu Form ID's. Then also extract AMITSE's PE32 module as-is, this is what you edit to unlock the menus (+BCP)
At the very top of the Setup IFR, you will find each BIOS main Form Set ID, this is used to search in AMITSE to find all you see below easier. This may differ for some BIOS in these related models, so adding this as update, the highlighted portion is what you need.

@ >> 000534c4 (around there) find the list as I showed above, it's short and only has the "hidden" menu Form ID's backwards. There FF or 00 the menu's you want to remove from the block list, this is what you tested in the two FF/00 BIOS (only this line was FF or 00, rest was 00)

@ second location >> 00055e84 (Around), you'll see the second block I posted above, these are the full menu ID's that are hidden. Remove the ones you want to have enabled via 00, this means cut entire menu ID and replace directly below that with your filler 00


Always be sure when you cut/delete to add back (insert) same amount after that, example below.

If you cut the following (32 bytes, 20h)
4a 10 59 7b 0d c0 58 41 87 ff f0 4d 63 96 a9 15 19 27 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

You must add back the following (32 bytes 20h) either in it's place, or below as see in the image (optical illusion, it's same length
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

Then once done, enable your menus to User Access Level in BCP (This can also be done via AMITSE SetupData module hex edit too, but it's easier to edit with BCP)
And while in AMIBCP change your hidden menu names to be whatever you want, at the root level make these changes (ie directly at top of setup). Make sure you are changing the hidden menu names!

So now, we need to clean this mod up!! I'll look through AMIBCP tonight and see which menu's are best for each item, and enable only those, removing the limited ones.
I assume that's removing all the stock and enabling only the hidden ones. I wonder why they do this to people!? Probably to dumb it down for some I suppose, but they should at least offer choice or simple/advanced menu for those that want some control.

Congrats guys, a well deserved result.

Zitat von Lost_N_BIOS im Beitrag #97

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So on one of the hidden (Main) does that mean it's Form Title 0x0090 = Main (Second, something, hidden etc)

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Thanks @CPL0 and yes, I meant 0009 I always mix up hex stuff
Now just have to clean it all up and redo a proper mod now that method is known. I am glad I toughed this one out, and thrilled to have figured it out, learning this method will help me unlock more BIOS for others now that I haven't been able to figure out in the past.
I still want to learn how to always and easily find the jumps in assembly for skipped menus, but need to learn how to get the tab ID's like you see in Donovan's guide for Insyde BIOS.

* Edit @namiam - Here's what I think looking at your stock BIOS images vs BCP
Keep both boot menus, some settings missing on the advanced one that you might want, which are on the original (Launch CSM, Boot Mode Select)
Also keep OG Security Menu, it has more options/details - And I see some settings in OG Adv that are not in the ADV #2 (keyboard lighting effects), so I think have to keep both ADV
Switch Main, and Exit for Save & Exit

So, unhide Boot #2 + Save & Exit (ADV #2/Chipset already done)
Hide OG Main + OG Exit

Or, what do you think about all that?

I'll try to get this done for you guys tonight, then you can share the great news over to notebookreview forum!

Zitat von Lost_N_BIOS im Beitrag #101

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Thanks @CPL0 and yes, I meant 0009 I always mix up hex stuff
Now just have to clean it all up and redo a proper mod now that method is known. I am glad I toughed this one out, and thrilled to have figured it out, learning this method will help me unlock more BIOS for others now that I haven't been able to figure out in the past.
I still want to learn how to always and easily find the jumps in assembly for skipped menus, but need to learn how to get the tab ID's like you see in Donovan's guide for Insyde BIOS.

* Edit @namiam - Here's what I think looking at your stock BIOS images vs BCP
Keep both boot menus, some settings missing on the advanced one that you might want, which are on the original (Launch CSM, Boot Mode Select)
Also keep OG Security Menu, it has more options/details - And I see some settings in OG Adv that are not in the ADV #2 (keyboard lighting effects), so I think have to keep both ADV
Switch Main, and Exit for Save & Exit

So, unhide Boot #2 + Save & Exit (ADV #2/Chipset already done)
Hide OG Main + OG Exit

Or, what do you think about all that?

I'll try to get this done for you guys tonight, then you can share the great news over to notebookreview forum!

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@nimaim - I didn't check Main too much like I did the others, but yes I assume hidden main contains all that and lots more (it's 2-3x more detailed). Transferring from original ADV to advanced ADV is not something I'm familiar with doing, but I can try if you want, I don't think it's an easy copy/paste, but it might be
I don't need the images, you can just look and compare to AMIBCP if you want, to see if anything missing from chipset or ADV that you see in AMIBCP. But, you may need to take images for yourself to compare, since there is so many subs in Adv.

You're welcome, hopefully it's explained enough to be easily understood!

Damn, just checked Main vs Main, MAC address is missing in hidden one, maybe if it's easy copy/paste/move I can change that around (same for the ADV settings missing from hidden one).
This may take another week or two to figure out, and many tests on your end, unsure how simple that will be, I'll dig in and look. At a quick glance, the same items in each use different handle ID's, so it may not be so easy, since each menu is using a different form set

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Zitat von Lost_N_BIOS im Beitrag #103

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@nimaim - I didn't check Main too much like I did the others, but yes I assume hidden main contains all that and lots more (it's 2-3x more detailed). Transferring from original ADV to advanced ADV is not something I'm familiar with doing, but I can try if you want, I don't think it's an easy copy/paste, but it might be.

Absolutely no need to do so then. There is no harm leaving it as a separate menu. This is very low priority.

I don't need the images, you can just look and compare to AMIBCP if you want, to see if anything missing from chipset or ADV that you see in AMIBCP. But, you may need to take images for yourself to compare, since there is so many subs in Adv.

I will try to compare everything tomorrow. I'm pretty sure they are all in there but I will confirm.

You're welcome, hopefully it's explained enough to be easily understood!

Should be! Plan to go through it soon and hopefully apply it to the other variants based on this.

Damn, just checked Main vs Main, MAC address is missing in hidden one, maybe if it's easy copy/paste/move I can change that around (same for the ADV settings missing from hidden one).
This may take another week or two to figure out, and many tests on your end, unsure how simple that will be, I'll dig in and look. At a quick glance, the same items in each use different handle ID's, so it may not be so easy, since each menu is using a different form set.

Ehh I don't think MAC is too necessary to have there. That can easily be viewed in any OS. Again, you can just unhide the second one and leave the first Main one as is (the second Main is just a nice to have, obviously it's just system details so nothing to change there in terms of settings)

I would go with the easiest solution for now, it can always be made fancy later for those that require it. I know you have a lot on your plate already.

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@nimaim - I was thinking it's best to try and make a "final" or at least a good "Release Candidate", and many will complain too many dupes probably, so it's hard to decide what is best due to a setting here or there on one menu that's wanted, but not on the more advanced hidden menus.
Could just make it main x2, Adv x2, chipset, boot x2, security as-is and switch exit pages. That makes 3 duplicated menus and will look sloppy to many people probably.

Lets test a file and see if I can move one setting from one menu to another easily or not, before we do the other menu changes.
I'll try to move keyboard lighting effects from OG adv to new adv, speaking of that, which set do you see in the BIOS (last two have different light effect settings than the first set)
Here, please test, do you see Keyboard Backlight effects at the top of the new Adv menu now? If not, then it's not an easy move to shift things between menus
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?fil...888833438474405