Abit ic7 max 3 and the dfi lanparty pro 875B were the best 2 boards ive ever owned, can you remember QDI LEGEND? their pentium3 boards were rock solid. Jetway were pretty good as well!

Yes indeed, gigabytes last 3 gens of boards from the red and blue team have all been pretty terrible, some might say they only add 2 bios chips because they know they are unstable. thing is both the bios flashes on mine at the time of self destruction were f10 from gigabyte. ket if you use your board daily like i did expect it to just brick itself.

i was blaming windows10 for all the issues i had when in fact it was the motherboard!

Hey ket. Thanks for the BIOS - I've been having fun with it since the F7 release. :) I appreciate your work.

I've used Gigabyte for years. This K7 is my third X370 board and I'm incredibly disappointed compared to the Asrock Taichi and Crosshair VI I had before (both RMAd, unable to replace the Taichi, the Crosshair was out of stock when I got the K7). I'm not even going to get into the garbage "App centre" that basically means I have to install two programs to use fan control. Opening up the BIOS settings has been great, but unfortunately this K7 has a fundamental problem I'm seeing repeated everywhere (aside from its generally poor performance compared to the other boards): turning on SVM even at stock speeds results in a 2-3Mhz drop in bus speeds.

I can't fix this, and I need SVM! Gigabyte gave me a 3-7 working day lead time on support too. That's so bad. I used your F7 to check if spread spectrum was the problem, but it's clearly SVM on these Gigabyte boards. And these cost NZ$400. :/ And I'm looking at my third RMA.

On the other hand, being able to deal with the more intricate settings and work with Ryzen properly has helped enormously. :) So thanks!

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Hey ket. Thanks for the BIOS - I've been having fun with it since the F7 release. :) I appreciate your work.

I've used Gigabyte for years. This K7 is my third X370 board and I'm incredibly disappointed compared to the Asrock Taichi and Crosshair VI I had before (both RMAd, unable to replace the Taichi, the Crosshair was out of stock when I got the K7). I'm not even going to get into the garbage "App centre" that basically means I have to install two programs to use fan control. Opening up the BIOS settings has been great, but unfortunately this K7 has a fundamental problem I'm seeing repeated everywhere (aside from its generally poor performance compared to the other boards): turning on SVM even at stock speeds results in a 2-3Mhz drop in bus speeds.

I can't fix this, and I need SVM! Gigabyte gave me a 3-7 working day lead time on support too. That's so bad. I used your F7 to check if spread spectrum was the problem, but it's clearly SVM on these Gigabyte boards. And these cost NZ$400. :/ And I'm looking at my third RMA.

On the other hand, being able to deal with the more intricate settings and work with Ryzen properly has helped enormously. :) So thanks!

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Zitat von POE_UK im Beitrag #331

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Abit ic7 max 3 and the dfi lanparty pro 875B were the best 2 boards ive ever owned, can you remember QDI LEGEND? their pentium3 boards were rock solid. Jetway were pretty good as well!

Yes indeed, gigabytes last 3 gens of boards from the red and blue team have all been pretty terrible, some might say they only add 2 bios chips because they know they are unstable. thing is both the bios flashes on mine at the time of self destruction were f10 from gigabyte. ket if you use your board daily like i did expect it to just brick itself.

i was blaming windows10 for all the issues i had when in fact it was the motherboard!

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Zitat von ket im Beitrag #333

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I'll be installing the Gaming 5 at some point again in the not too far off future so I'll be seeing what kind of polished turd the Gigabyte Aorus AM4 boards are relatively soon. I might be able to eek out a few more things here and there when I do. If I had more tools I'd probably completely rebuild the firmware exposing a lot more options but without certain tools beyond what me and tom-rus are doing theres not much more we can do its up to Gigabyte to fix their shit but I think we know what their answer (or excuses) to that would be. Spread Spectrum basically only allows you to make a small difference to the bus speed, disabled the bus will run at basically a full 100MHz give or take minor clock generator differences but with spread spectrum disabled it is the difference in the bus running around 97-98MHz and 99.9MHz which when you are trying to get the maximum out of just the stock frequencies is a reasonable difference. On that K7 of yours you should be able to just increase the bus frequency to 101-102MHz plus disable spread spectrum though to get a 100MHz bus frequency even with SVM enabled.

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Wise choice. There are very few X370 AM4 boards I would recommend. Out of the ones I've tested I would recommend the Asrock Fatal1ty Gaming X (or the K4 version), along with the Biostar GT7 but do bare in mind the Biostar board isn't as feature rich or quite as versatile as some other boards. Out of the boards I'm yet to test I would recommend very highly the Asrock Taichi or the Asus X370-F. If you are looking for something cheap in the X370 class but very well laid out look no further than the MSI X370 Gaming Pro. I really wouldn't recommend any other X370 boards for varying reasons.

Even asrock beats gigabyte here, as already stated it is a bloody horrible board, HIGHLY recommend the msi xpower titanium, its awsome, having a bios flashback means everything with am4 boards. hell it even works with no cpu or ram installed! also looks beautiful in my white thermaltake tower900 case. did you know also there are more people out there that can hit over 4ghz with the non X ryzen 7 cpus.

Gigabytes boards are full of gimmicks that dont work, msi have put the money where it matters, stability! even has extra power connectors to maintain high overclocks cooler and more stable.

all the rgb bullshit on the gaming5 just doesnt work properly, buying the corsair node pro was the best thing i ever did, i have yet to find out if the gaming5 has damaged my other r7 1700 cpu or tridentZ rgb ram, if it has gigabyte are in deep shit.

Seriously though for anyone reading this, please stay away from this joker board, its fucking nasty. i very rarely swear in forums but this motherboard just makes me!

luckily i still had a 2 week return period left on amazon UK and they refunded me no problem, the msi board though, wow, not even in the same league, the uefi looks very professional and sharp, gigabytes looks like it was done by a 9 year old.

Have MSI sorted the memory compatibility out on that XPower Titanium? Last I heard that board had truly awful memory compatibility, the worst of any X370 board by a considerable margin. I don't intend to test that board simply because it does nothing for me and I feel it is stupidly over priced for what it is and offers.

I had a good hard look at the Titanium and the Carbon but they're both super expensive for what they are. And yeah, I heard about those memory problems and that they're also sharing components. At the time I would have had to order from the US and didn't want to risk it.

The Crosshair wasn't bad but it wouldn't recognise XMP profiles, at the least at the time I had it. And then the BIOS update that fixed the Ryzen temperature offset broke its ability to overclock memory via anything but increasing bus speed. But the Taichi is the only board I've had that's been able to get this chip to 4.1Ghz and it ran Hynix at 3200 out of the box. The K7 just checks out early. Unfortunately because of the bclk thing I don't even think I can put it in a virtual lab machine.

Teething problems with Ryzen, you know, I was expecting it. Like how Google's Android emulator on Windows still won't run on Ryzen even though it's working on Linux, or problems getting my macOS VM to run. It's just so disheartening when you get the top tier board and it's behaving so poorly you may as well have got a B350. I'm not even sure I can be bothered arguing the toss with Gigabyte over this but if I can get a store credit for something useful that'll do me. I'm pretty determined this shouldn't be happening and we shouldn't be throwing this kind of money at Gigabyte to have to implement hacky workarounds like fiddling with the bus speed.

I've had experience with the MSI Carbon Pro X370 and the Gigabyte Gaming 5. Apart from the BIOS on the G5 looking as out of date as a piece of cheese made in 1970, everything else is better - I could lower the voltage on CPU on the G5 with the same clock speed. RAM would max out at CL16 at 2666 at 1.35V on the carbon and on the G5 it's 2933 at CL14 at 1.32V.

Obvs this is just my experience and you could have better luck

Ket its cheaper than the gaming5, my tridentz rgb runs at 3600 no issues

as an electrical engineer, i can tell you its a much better board.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MSI-X370-XPOWE...wMAAOSwySlaOjai

But you have to understand its not just the uefi looking shit, these boards actually have hardware faults like intel and their cpus with the spectre memory leak.

Nah the msi is a much better board

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I had a good hard look at the Titanium and the Carbon but they're both super expensive for what they are. And yeah, I heard about those memory problems and that they're also sharing components. At the time I would have had to order from the US and didn't want to risk it.

The Crosshair wasn't bad but it wouldn't recognise XMP profiles, at the least at the time I had it. And then the BIOS update that fixed the Ryzen temperature offset broke its ability to overclock memory via anything but increasing bus speed. But the Taichi is the only board I've had that's been able to get this chip to 4.1Ghz and it ran Hynix at 3200 out of the box. The K7 just checks out early. Unfortunately because of the bclk thing I don't even think I can put it in a virtual lab machine.

Teething problems with Ryzen, you know, I was expecting it. Like how Google's Android emulator on Windows still won't run on Ryzen even though it's working on Linux, or problems getting my macOS VM to run. It's just so disheartening when you get the top tier board and it's behaving so poorly you may as well have got a B350. I'm not even sure I can be bothered arguing the toss with Gigabyte over this but if I can get a store credit for something useful that'll do me. I'm pretty determined this shouldn't be happening and we shouldn't be throwing this kind of money at Gigabyte to have to implement hacky workarounds like fiddling with the bus speed.

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Hello all,

Thank for your work and support Ket, i'm actually using your F9f_mod bios on my gaming 5, and to the rest of the people trying to help others here.
I've tried a lot of combinations of bios, bios settings, overclocks, ram settings, voltages etc. to try and be happy with the performance of my ryzen.
I'm using DRAM ryzen calculator to configure my RAM at 3200Mhz, and version F9f, seems to expose more of the tweakings that dram ryzen calculator uses (and apparently allows me to run at 3200mhz with besdt timmings).
Sadly i've yet to find a stable and satisfacing configuration for my system. For some days i thought i had it with memmory running at 3200 16-15-15-15-32 (1.36v) and cpu at 3.825ghz, 1.35v 1.1soc.
Was able to run prime95 FTT for hours and aida64 stress test, but when i'm playing pubg or the division computer starts to crash.
Tried to up the volts up to 1.4v, soc 1.2 and dram 1.38 to see it that fixed it but no luck, then tried setting cpu oc down to 3.7ghz and still crashing.Finally yesterday i tried with stock values on cpu (3.0ghz with boost) and memmory at 3200 and still crashing. Today i'm going to try setting the memory at stock (2133mhz) and playing with the cpu overclock.
Maybe my problems are all caused by my memmory with is samsung d-die double rank and designed for intel (btw i tried with command rate2 on my tests also).
What irks is the inconsistencies i'm seeing on all my tests, depending on bios versions with similar settings my performance tests with cinebench show very differents results (sometimes worst values with memmory running faster), with values ranging from 87-121fps, 1430-1692 cpu. Sometimes with the same setup i get very different values (not running anything but the bench afaik).
I've yet to try your latest F10 bios mod. But at least your first F10mod seems to expose less memmory tweaking options than f9f does, tweaks that dram ryzen calculator uses. Official F10 lets me boot with XMP profile of the RAM but suffers crashes on windows loading. Sorry for my rambling but i've got a bad memmory and just sharing some of my weird experiences with my rig out of it.
One of the things i've saw is... prime95 ran flawless for hours, then i get crashes, so i tried aida64 and after some minutes (like 20) it showed graphic card related errors, then tweaking oc upping voltages and loweing cpu freq makes it run stable for 10 hours on aida64, but after few days crashes again.
The different on performance (on games like pubg or the division) is noticiable when things are oc (both memmory and cpu), that's why i'm still hitting this wall, if it was only the +5-10 FPS i'll leave it at that, but there is a plus in smoothness overall, on the occasions when i can have the cpu oc to 3.75Ghz+ and the ram at 2933 or 3200mhz with the timmings it's supposed to support. On that occasions cinebench uses to give me 110+fps as opposed to 97 i can see with all bios settings at optimized defaults.

Greetings.

Zitat von POE_UK im Beitrag #340

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Ket its cheaper than the gaming5, my tridentz rgb runs at 3600 no issues

as an electrical engineer, i can tell you its a much better board.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MSI-X370-XPOWE...wMAAOSwySlaOjai

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Zitat von chkdz im Beitrag #338

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I had a good hard look at the Titanium and the Carbon but they're both super expensive for what they are. And yeah, I heard about those memory problems and that they're also sharing components. At the time I would have had to order from the US and didn't want to risk it.

The Crosshair wasn't bad but it wouldn't recognise XMP profiles, at the least at the time I had it. And then the BIOS update that fixed the Ryzen temperature offset broke its ability to overclock memory via anything but increasing bus speed. But the Taichi is the only board I've had that's been able to get this chip to 4.1Ghz and it ran Hynix at 3200 out of the box. The K7 just checks out early. Unfortunately because of the bclk thing I don't even think I can put it in a virtual lab machine.

Teething problems with Ryzen, you know, I was expecting it. Like how Google's Android emulator on Windows still won't run on Ryzen even though it's working on Linux, or problems getting my macOS VM to run. It's just so disheartening when you get the top tier board and it's behaving so poorly you may as well have got a B350. I'm not even sure I can be bothered arguing the toss with Gigabyte over this but if I can get a store credit for something useful that'll do me. I'm pretty determined this shouldn't be happening and we shouldn't be throwing this kind of money at Gigabyte to have to implement hacky workarounds like fiddling with the bus speed.

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Zitat von jackoboy9 im Beitrag #339

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I've had experience with the MSI Carbon Pro X370 and the Gigabyte Gaming 5. Apart from the BIOS on the G5 looking as out of date as a piece of cheese made in 1970, everything else is better - I could lower the voltage on CPU on the G5 with the same clock speed. RAM would max out at CL16 at 2666 at 1.35V on the carbon and on the G5 it's 2933 at CL14 at 1.32V.

Obvs this is just my experience and you could have better luck

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