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#151 | RE: [HOT] Win10 Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Wed Aug 24, 2016 10:21 pm (Last edited: Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:27 am)

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #150
Have you already tried to install my new mod+signed 32/64bit NVIDIA nForce SATARAID drivers v11.1.0.43, which are attached to post #146?

Hey @Fernando,
Yes, I tried the x64 drivers from #146, following the detailed steps. I tried it several times actually, including after the Windows reset, and again with the Group Policy driver update blocking. After the reboot everything works fine, and verify the expected drivers are still installed. But the AU always reverts to the v1511 build after the download, in-Windows prep/install, then reboot.

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#152 | RE: [HOT] Win10 Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Wed Aug 24, 2016 10:54 pm (Last edited: Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:27 am)

@jwhickman:
Thanks for having tested the drivers from post #146 and thanks for your report.
It is a pity, that the Windows Update doesn't complete the update to v1607 despite the presence of customized nForce SATARAID drivers.
For testing purposes I attach another mod+signed variant of the 32bit and 64bit SATARAID drivers v11.1.0.43.
Maybe you or someone else can test them.

Good luck!

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#153 | RE: [HOT] Win10 Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Wed Aug 24, 2016 11:36 pm (Last edited: Wed Aug 24, 2016 11:38 pm)

Hi Fernando,
a quick question?

You recommended the special driver Version 9.99.0.9 for a better raid performance.
When I added the needed lines for generic array device to the inf file I run into an hash error.
Can you please provide your special driver 9.99.09 with support for generic array device?

Thanks in advance
database-uli

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#154 | RE: [HOT] Win10 Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Wed Aug 24, 2016 11:54 pm (Last edited: Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:27 am)

Zitat von database-uli im Beitrag #153
Can you please provide your special driver 9.99.09 with support for generic array device?

Attached are the requested mod+signed "new 32/64bit nForce SATARAID drivers v9.99.09", which have been modified the same way as those, which I had attached to post #146.
Good luck!

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#155 | RE: [HOT] Win10 Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:20 am

Hi Fernando,

great work. The installation was no problem.
I will now test which version is the best for my configuration.

Many many thanks.

Database-uli

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#156 | RE: [HOT] Win10 Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:39 pm

NVIDIA support is saying that they are working on a nForce-Update, but also: "And we do not have any ETA on that."
Maybe we can speed things up if more people are asking NVIDIA: http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/chat/chat_launch

btw, they first answered that "It seems to be an issue with the Windows 10 update". Only after I said that "there is an other discussion which says that there should be a driver update from NVIDIA", the support said that they are working on an update.

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#157 | RE: [HOT] Win10 Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:05 am

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #152
For testing purposes I attach another mod+signed variant of the 32bit and 64bit SATARAID drivers v11.1.0.43.
Maybe you or someone else can test them.

Thanks again @Fernando, but still no luck with those. Would I be able to load your drivers at Windows installation ("text mode"), to try a clean install of the AU build v1607? I recall you mentioning before that the drivers couldn't be rolled into the ISO due to the self-signed cert; would that be an issue if text mode is used?

Speaking of which, I found this doing a search:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows...on-requirements

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#158 | RE: [HOT] Win10 Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:09 am

Zitat
Thanks again @Fernando, but still no luck with those.

+1 :(

Asus M2N32 Sli Delux. Raid1.

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#159 | RE: [HOT] Win10 Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:59 am (Last edited: Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:59 am)

Zitat von jwhickman im Beitrag #157
still no luck with those.

Thanks for having tested them.
It is a pity, that even these latest test drivers, where I had integrated the complete list of possible HardwareIDs into the INF file, obviously do not work for systems, where the system drive is within the nForce RAID array.

Zitat von jwhickman im Beitrag #157
Would I be able to load your drivers at Windows installation ("text mode"), to try a clean install of the AU build v1607?

You can check it without touching your current data:

Boot off an USB Flash Drive containing the clean Win10 v1607 image and choose, that you want to do a fresh install the OS.
When you come to the point, where the Setup shows you all detected Disk Drives, but not your existing nForce RAID array, hit the "Load Driver" button, navigate to the previously stored desired mod+signed "new 32/64bit nForce SATARAID driver" v11.1.0.43 or v9.99.09 and load it.
After having done that, you will get the information, whether the loaded mod+signed nForce SATARAID driver
a) will be accepted by the Win10 Setup and
b) is able to detect the existing nForce RAID array or not.
Now you can stop the test without having changed any of your data.

I am rather unsure, whether the Win10 Setup will accept at this early stage of the OS installation any driver, which doesn't have the WHQL stamp given by Microsoft. The problem is, that the import of the Win-RAID CA Certificate requires a running Windows OS.
Maybe you can improve the chances to get one of my mod+signed drivers used by Win10 v1607 from scratch, if you had previously
a) removed the in-box nForce SATARAID driver v10.6.0.23 from the original Win10 v1607 image and
b) integrated the desired mod+signed nForce SATARAID driver v11.1.0.43 or v9.99.09 (attached to post #146 resp. #154) instead
according >this< guide.

Good luck!

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#160 | RE: [HOT] Win10 Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Sat Aug 27, 2016 1:56 am

Hi @Fernando I think my previous post was tl;dr, apologies for that.

It sounds like these steps would be useful for checking whether my Win8 system could be returned to Win10 (which was installed until the recent issues). Am I right to think that I can perform these steps as a test, then abandon the installation (whether the drivers work or not) and return to Win8 ?

Thanks very much for all your help here.

MB: Asus P5N-E CPU: Intel Q6600, Disk Drives: 931Gb (2 physical disks, nVidia Raid 0 stripe), Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 58xx, OS: Win8 Pro x32

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#161 | RE: [HOT] Win10 Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:24 am

Zitat von carraldo im Beitrag #160
Am I right to think that I can perform these steps as a test, then abandon the installation (whether the drivers work or not) and return to Win8 ?

Yes!

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#162 | RE: [HOT] Win10 Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:43 am (Last edited: Wed Aug 31, 2016 2:26 am)

Hi Fernando. I have been following this issue very carefully every since I tracked down our issue to the recent update. I utilized your most recent drivers ("Latest nForce Driverpacks for Win7-10" from HERE) and appear (crossing fingers) to have gotten past a few reboots after the update was applied. One thing I did notice is that in POST the RAID is reported as degraded. I took the following screenshot of the device manager and am wondering if I am limping along on a single drive instead of the usual 2 which I had setup in RAID0. And yes, my boot drive is inside the RAID (something I noticed in your post that directions would be forthcoming for but I jumped the proverbial gun). :/

Also, is there any more MediaShield for monitoring/changing RAID inside Windows?

Thanks for your help and drivers!

EDIT: On another "required" reboot I got BSOD and the old INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE error. I used the restore point that I made per your instructions and am back to boot. I have locked down Windows Update so it can't pull anymore crap (because even "hiding" the unwanted update doesn't do anything). Here's hoping for a solution from MicroSloth sooner than later. Bastards.

Worth noting, the RAID is still degraded on POST

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#163 | RE: [HOT] Win10 Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:14 am

@PsiFire:
Welcome at Win-RAID Forum and thanks for your report!

Zitat von PsiFire im Beitrag #162
Also, is there any more MediaShield for monitoring/changing RAID inside Windows?

Yes, the "raidtool" application is within all my nForce driverpacks. If the tool has not yet been installed, you can do it by running the SETUP.EXE, which is within the IDE\Win764\raidtool subfolder.

Good luck!
Dieter (alias Fernando)

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#164 | RE: [HOT] Win10 Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:44 pm (Last edited: Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:46 pm)

@ all affected nForce RAID users, whose system drive is within the RAID array:

According to my knowledge it is a bug of the Win10 hardware detection, which makes the nForce RAID array unaccessable after having completed the Win10 "Anniversary Update" procedure.
Details:
For a proper detection and function of the nForce RAID array it is an absolute requirement, that the following devices of the Device Manager's "Storage Controllers" section use the exactly same NVIDIA nForce RAID driver:
a) the "NVIDIA(R) nForce RAID Controller" and
b) all usually hidden members of the RAID array named "NVIDIA(R) nForce RAID Device".
Unfortunately Microsoft has done a severe mistake while creating the v10.0.14393.0 of the Win10 v1607 in-box INF file named scsidev.inf, with the bad consequence, that the Windows Update routine detects the members of an nForce RAID array as "Generic SCSI Array Devices", which don't need any real driver (= *.sys file). That is the exact reason why nForce RAID users, whose system drive is within the RAID array, cannot boot anymore into Win10 after having completed the update to Win10 v1607.

Possible solution:
It is a wellknown fact, that the freshly installed storage drivers and the related updated device names are already shown within the Device Manager, but will not be used until the final reboot.
Maybe there is a chance to correct the installation of the wrong "driver" at this point of the Windows Update, that means before going to reboot the system.
The procedure will be very similar to my guide, which is within post #146, but with the following changes:
The execution of the points 1-3 should be done before starting the Windows Update, whereas the other points (4-6) thereafter, but before doing the final reboot.

It would be fine, if anyone can test it and report here about the result.

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#165 | RE: [HOT] Win10 Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Wed Aug 31, 2016 2:36 pm (Last edited: Wed Aug 31, 2016 2:37 pm)

That's a good thought and I thought about trying to "catch" the drivers before they got changed as well. Problem is - I checked the driver version before every reboot
and always had your 11.x version showing before booting yet still got BSOD. :(

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