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#16 | RE: [HOT] Windows Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:40 am (Last edited: Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:42 am)

@pepsidave48653:
Thanks for the picture, which verifies, that according to the MediaShield RAID ROM everything seems to be fine.
To be honest I have no idea why the OS doesn't even detect the RAID array. Even when the appropriate driver is missing, there should be an "Unknown Device" listed within the Device Manager.

Please post a screenshot of your Device Manager after haven chosen the "Show hidden devices" option and expanded the "Storage Controllers" section.

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#17 | RE: [HOT] Windows Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:35 pm (Last edited: Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:12 pm)

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #487
Please post a screenshot of your Device Manager after haven chosen the "Show hidden devices" option and expanded the "Storage Controllers" section.

Here are 2 screen shots, the left is Normal view and the right is Hidden view:

EDIT by Fernando: Unneeded part of the fully quoted text removed (to save space) and the screenshots reformatted (for a better visibility)

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#18 | RE: [HOT] Windows Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:14 pm

@pepsidave48653:
Thanks for the screenshots.
Other idea: Is it possible, that you have disabled the NVIDIA nForce RAID Controller or the related SATA ports within the BIOS?

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#19 | RE: [HOT] Windows Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:20 pm (Last edited: Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:24 pm)

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #489
Other idea: Is it possible, that you have disabled the NVIDIA nForce RAID Controller or the related SATA ports within the BIOS?

Not really, if I would have done that then it would not have shown up in MediaShield. I was playing around with that a little bit. If I disabled one hard drive from the raid in the BIOS before MediaShield then MediaShield would flash red and say Degraded and then Windows would see the individual disk. I did that for all 3 separately I would remove them then add them back in and reboot MediaShield would say Healthy, and Windows would NOT see the RAID.

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#20 | RE: [HOT] Windows Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:26 pm

There must be a reason why Windows is not able to detect the RAID array and its members (HDDs), but I cannot imagine any.

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#21 | RE: [HOT] Windows Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:33 pm

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #491
There must be a reason why Windows is not able to detect the RAID array and its members (HDDs), but I cannot imagine any.

I am getting ready to reset my Windows 10. Before the RAID degraded Windows saw it fine, so maybe resetting it will allow it to be seen again. It's a shot in the dark

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#22 | RE: [HOT] Windows Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:36 pm

BTW, Once I do reset Win10 which would be the best of your drivers to use

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#23 | RE: [HOT] Windows Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:39 pm

Zitat von Fernando im Beitrag #491
There must be a reason why Windows is not able to detect the RAID array and its members (HDDs), but I cannot imagine any.

OK so this is indeed a weird thing. I had room on my boot drive so I created another partition and installed windows 7 pro 64bit. As soon as it was installed I installed a set of your driver's amd the computer rebooted a few times and is now in the process of rebuilding the RAID5. I don't understand why or how it worked. I am going to try the same thing with Windows 10 either today or tomorrow and let you know how it turns out.

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#24 | RE: [HOT] Windows Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:32 pm

Zitat von pepsidave48653 im Beitrag #494
I had room on my boot drive so I created another partition and installed windows 7 pro 64bit. As soon as it was installed I installed a set of your driver's amd the computer rebooted a few times and is now in the process of rebuilding the RAID5.

That is really surprising and good news.

Zitat
I am going to try the same thing with Windows 10 either today or tomorrow and let you know how it turns out.

Yes, that would be fine.

Zitat von pepsidave48653 im Beitrag #493
BTW, Once I do reset Win10 which would be the best of your drivers to use

For your nForce 780i RAID system I recommend to take the "Special nForce RAID Driverpack", but don't forget to import the Digital Signature Certificate according >this< guide before you are going to install it.

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#25 | RE: [HOT] Windows Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:16 pm (Last edited: Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:31 pm)

I reinstalled Windows 10 and grabbed some screen shots of my drive configuration and Device Manager. I installed all your drivers but windows changed them to the windows drivers.....this has been a battle I have not been able to keep your digitally signed drivers installed. If I try to change them back to your drivers the RAID disappears and is no longer seen. I reinstalled Windows 4 times yesterday.......needless to say I am getting to be an expert ant installing Windows. Some of this makes NO sense still......but so far so good.

Here are the shots.....first is the RAID NOT enabled in BIOS:

Here is the RAID added but NOT the disks:

And finally disks added to RAID:

And now after all this, Windows has decided to update and one of the RAID configuration is flashing red in MediaShield; however, it is still detested in Windows. ***edited***(Detected no detested)***

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#26 | RE: [HOT] Windows Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:52 pm

@pepsidave48653:
Thanks for your report. Yes, it is really a nightmare for users with an nForce RAID system to get a modern Windows Operating System properly installed and running fine.

Zitat von pepsidave48653 im Beitrag #496
I reinstalled Windows 10 and grabbed some screen shots of my drive configuration and Device Manager. I installed all your drivers but windows changed them to the windows drivers.....this has been a battle I have not been able to keep your digitally signed drivers installed. If I try to change them back to your drivers the RAID disappears and is no longer seen.

You should install the related SATARAID drivers manually from within the Device Manager (don't forget to let the Device Manager show the hidden devices and to update the drivers of all listed NVIDIA devices within the "Storage Controllers" section, before you are going to reboot).

Zitat
Here are the shots.....:

This picture shows the content of the "Disk Drives" section of the Device Manager. The listed drivers (they are always all from Microsoft) are responsable for the correct "Disk Drive Management", but don't have any impact on the NVIDIA nForce SATA and RAID Controller. If you want to know the in-use NVIDIA nForce SATA and RAID drivers, you have to look into the "Storage Controllers" section of the Device Manager, to right click onto the listed Devices (NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA Controllers, NVIDIA nForce RAID Controllers, NVIDIA RAID Devices) and to choose the options "Properties" > "Driver".

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#27 | RE: [HOT] Windows Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:05 am

Well, I'm officially done and I give up. Windows did an update and the drive is gone again. The drivers are there but the drive is gone.

Fernando, Thank you for ALL your time and help it was greatly appreciated.

I am going to delete the RAID and just go with 3 individual drives. I didn't really need the RAID I just thought it was a cool feature and I had 3 drives so I figured what the heck.

Again, Thank you for ALL the help.

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#28 | RE: [HOT] Windows Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:28 am

Maybe Fernando can increase driver version and date release? So the windows update will think, that they are newer then his "new".
I know that Leshcat did it with their drivers :D

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#29 | RE: [HOT] Windows Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:52 am (Last edited: Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:05 am)

Zitat von pepsidave48653 im Beitrag #506
Well, I'm officially done and I give up. Windows did an update and the drive is gone again. The drivers are there but the drive is gone.
I am going to delete the RAID and just go with 3 individual drives.

It would be a pity if you do that.
Please read my reply to Benik3's proposal:

Zitat von Benik3 im Beitrag #507
Maybe Fernando can increase driver version and date release?

Yes, it would be no problem for me to change the driver date by editing the INF file content and to let the OS think, that it is a brandnew driver.
Reason: The OS just reads the date, which has been written into the related INF file and doesn't check the real driver date. It would even be possble to manipulate this way the driver version to a higher one.

Nevertheless I hesitate to manipulate these data, because
a) it will extremely irritate everyone, who doesn't know, that these are fake data, and
b) I doubt, that it really will solve the problem, that the Windows Update will offer a driver update in the future, which may destroy a working NVIDIA nForce system configuration.

The best solution for affected nForce users will be to prevent any Windows Update action regarding NVIDIA nForce drivers. >Here< you can get some informations about how to do it.

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#30 | RE: [HOT] Windows Update makes nForce RAID arrays unaccessable datum

Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:52 pm (Last edited: Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:55 pm)

Hallo,
hoffe ich darf auch deutsch schreiben.
Habe mein win auf 10 upgedatet, mainbord MSI K9N Platinum,
meine raidlaufwerke werden nicht mehr angezeigt, hab die Treiber eigentlich einzeln instaliert.
Version 11.1.0.43 Signaturgeber Microsoft ??
Die verbauten Raid-Festplatten werden im Gerätemanager angezeigt, dort kann ich auch den Festplattentyp sehen
unter NVIDEA nforce Serial ATA Controller im Gerätemanager (gibt es 3x )
1x mit 2 Raidplatten
1x mit SSD Win10 Platte und DVDplayer
und noch 1x mit 2 Raidplatten.
Aber wie bekomme ich die Partitionen wieder sichtbar?? unter Computerverwaltung / Datenträger sind Sie nicht aufgeführt.
Hilfe wäre super. Mein kopf qualmt schon, für den Moment reicht es mir. sonst mach ich nur noch Fehler weil ich durcheinander komme.

nuss ich den Treiber vom Standard-Zweikanal-PCI-IDE-Controller auch manuell erneuern ??
Hab es versucht, ging aber nicht. Dann wurde er nach neustart deaktiviert,

on the way back to win 7

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