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ket
Posts: 51 | Last online: 09.21.2017
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    • ket has written a new post "[OFFER] Gigabyte GA-AX370-Aorus Gaming 5 BIOS mod" Yesterday

      Zitat von feathers632 im Beitrag #94
      Zitat von Khaela im Beitrag #93
      GIGABYTE - Matt
      GIGABYTE Staff
      **********
      about an hour ago
      Quote
      Hi all,

      New BIOS for you guys to try with the Gaming K7: F7B

      This BIOS includes custom P-states. If you have a chance please give it a shot and give us your feedback. Note that custom P-states have a higher priority than BIOS settings. IE if you change a multiplier through P-states it takes priority over multipliers set in BIOS.

      From de gigabyte forum usa... it's in the first post for download.


      That's great.. except I don't have a gaming 7. I have a gaming 5. :)

      If they don't release for 5 as well then I will certainly ditch the board and go Asus, Asrock or Biostar.


      Chances are using the modified DOS flash tool included with my modded UEFIs you can straight up flash the K7 UEFI. PCB looks identical for the Gaming 5 and K7, features are even identical with the exception of the K7 "officially supporting" 3400MHz RAM OCs lol. Just check out the side by side image and you'll see what I mean. I have actually toyed with the idea of seeing if I can get a K7 UEFI up and running on a Gaming 5 it shouldn't be hard at all. I'm certainly not one for the tin foil hat but it seems awful convenient that I release my modded UEFIs and magically the Aorus boards seem to start getting the attention they need from Gigabyte.

    • ket has written a new post "[OFFER] Gigabyte GA-AX370-Aorus Gaming 5 BIOS mod" Yesterday

      Zitat von feathers632 im Beitrag #90
      Zitat von ket im Beitrag #88
      Could be the P-States just aren't working. Gigabyte have put AMD Agesa code through the blender completely tearing it to shreds thus introduced all kinds of bugs exclusive to Gigabyte. Other manufacturers I've seen have simply stuck with the Agesa layout and added to it whereas Gigabyte appear to of torn it apart piece by piece adding unnecessary development time and bugs.


      Pretty sure this will be my last Giga board now. I bought a giga board back in the days of Wolfdale and it had all kinds of fan speed bugs. Would falsely report fan speed dropping to zero. Brother had same mobo and same issue.


      Good call I'd say. Gigabyte need to sort themselves out and get their act together, they are trailing even MSI and I'd call them a third tier choice. I'd even put Biostar ahead of Gigabyte which optimistically puts them in 5th position in my book. Asrock, Asus, MSI, Biostar, these are all manufacturers I would consider before even giving Gigabyte a single thought.

    • ket has written a new post "[OFFER] Gigabyte GA-AX370-Aorus Gaming 5 BIOS mod" 09.20.2017

      Could be the P-States just aren't working. Gigabyte have put AMD Agesa code through the blender completely tearing it to shreds thus introduced all kinds of bugs exclusive to Gigabyte. Other manufacturers I've seen have simply stuck with the Agesa layout and added to it whereas Gigabyte appear to of torn it apart piece by piece adding unnecessary development time and bugs.

    • ket has written a new post "[OFFER] Gigabyte GA-AX370-Aorus Gaming 5 BIOS mod" 09.20.2017

      Zitat von EUA im Beitrag #85
      Hi ket,
      Firstly, thank you for your work.
      While I am researching on boards for a week, I found that almost every manufacturer has problem about voltage swings. Some of them performs better regulation in auto mode but main problem arise probably due AGESA and will probably fixed later with updates.

      I am planning to buy miniITX Ryzen 1700 to overclock. While I am searching boards, I decide to buy GigaByte "Gaming WIFI" board which similar to "Gaming 3" but in miniITX. I saw you don't add support for it. Might be you can add support for it later. Just message here to ask if there is a hidden menu for enable P-State overclocking with "Gaming WIFI" board. But from those I read here, I think it doesn't came soon and not possible to add support for it via hidden menus. Indeed Gaming WIFI is decent board for me. I just like MEM support. Opponents (including ASRock, BIOSTAR) cannot clock their RAMS proper, even with increased voltage. Hard to see 3200 MHz. But Gigabyte WIFI able to clock same RAM modules with 3600 mhz with stock voltage.

      But I didn't not know that Gigabyte support is non existent. It's sad to see they do not care their products, like Samsung...
      Now I cancel to idea of buying Gigabyte board due they have bios issues and don't give enough support.
      I think it's better to wait ASUS's ITX AM4 MB.
      Regards,
      Erdem


      Unstable voltage isn't something that can be fixed in software code, you can skew VRM values a bit (likely what the LLC options are doing) but you can't fix it. The problem is in the hardware, poor VRMs, not enough of them, a generally poorly designed voltage regulation circuit, these are the most common causes behind bad voltage stability. There are plenty of AM4 boards with rock solid voltage stability the Aorus boards are not among them. I've mostly tested Asrock boards on AM4 so far but all of them have had exceptionally stable voltage regulation. Memory I've tested on some boards, mostly the K4 Gaming using UEFI 3.0 and had a kit of 3200MHz CL15 RipjawsV running 3066MHz 14-14-14-25 1T. I do need to go back to that board and test higher frequencies but time is in short supply for me at the moment. I won't be making any more modified UEFIs beyond the ones I'm already doing and I might cut back on those as well as there only seems to really be 3 boards people are picking up from Gigabyte.


      Zitat von feathers632 im Beitrag #84
      Zitat von ket im Beitrag #83
      Zitat von feathers632 im Beitrag #82
      Zitat von ket im Beitrag #80
      Zitat von feathers632 im Beitrag #78
      I flashed the bios mod a few days ago and I've taken a look at the P-state options but can't see any way to get it setup. I found the added options and p-state list but can't see any way of setting up each p-state or setting the vcore offset voltage.


      The P-States are less flexible with these boards, pretty much just select one of the P-State values and the CPU will stick to that preset. I don't use P-States and haven't got around to testing them yet so someone who has would be better off commenting. Dynamic vcore is in with the other voltage options, see post #70.


      Dynamic Vcore is on the main voltages page but is always greyed out and can't be adjusted.

      Zitat von feathers632 im Beitrag #81
      Zitat von ket im Beitrag #80
      Zitat von feathers632 im Beitrag #78
      I flashed the bios mod a few days ago and I've taken a look at the P-state options but can't see any way to get it setup. I found the added options and p-state list but can't see any way of setting up each p-state or setting the vcore offset voltage.


      The P-States are less flexible with these boards, pretty much just select one of the P-State values and the CPU will stick to that preset. I don't use P-States and haven't got around to testing them yet so someone who has would be better off commenting. Dynamic vcore is in with the other voltage options, see post #70.


      That will teach me to follow blindly and not choose my own mobo. This is the first board since my first build in the days of 486dx that I didn't select myself. I got this board because a friend bought one and I had no idea Gigabyte were so pish on execution.

      Do I stick with it or ditch it and buy an Asrock?

      My last PC was i5 2500k and I used offset voltage OC. Expected to do the same with this system!


      Basically any mainboard you buy from any of the other big manufacturers will be superior to the Gigabyte board in almost every way. Asus while good do tend to have a rather high failure rate in my experience while every Asrock board I've had (5 so far) is still functioning perfectly and UEFI support has been top notch for them. I haven't used MSI boards in a while but I do hear they have upped their game significantly as well although their UEFI support is still a bit lacking, nowhere near as bad as Gigabyte though, positively good in fact by comparison. You might also want to check out some of the Biostar boards, I've heard good things about those when it comes to UEFI support. Biostar even delayed the release of their boards because they didn't think memory support was up to snuff. Can't say fairer than that really.

      Regards your offset voltage issue, have you set fixed vcore to "Normal"? The offset option should then become adjustable.



      Hi,

      I only built this system a few weeks ago but of course it would be too late for me to send the Giga board back I guess. I'd have to sell it and get an Asrock. I built a system for someone with MSI board years ago. Nice looking board it was but had issues getting it overclocked too far. Could have been CPU... I only had limited time.

      Never had an Asrock before but I recall they were always in the news for overclocking records broken on LN2.

      Only board I ever had die on me was an EVGA just within the 3 year warranty period. EVGA had excellent comms with users and were very open to improving mobo bios based on user suggestions. But they don't have any AMD boards. I will look into changing to an Asrock.

      You were right about the "Normal" setting. I overlooked that option. :)



      Hopefully you can at least overclock a little more successfully now ;)

    • ket has written a new post "[OFFER] Gigabyte GA-AX370-Aorus Gaming 5 BIOS mod" 09.19.2017

      Zitat von feathers632 im Beitrag #82
      Zitat von ket im Beitrag #80
      Zitat von feathers632 im Beitrag #78
      I flashed the bios mod a few days ago and I've taken a look at the P-state options but can't see any way to get it setup. I found the added options and p-state list but can't see any way of setting up each p-state or setting the vcore offset voltage.


      The P-States are less flexible with these boards, pretty much just select one of the P-State values and the CPU will stick to that preset. I don't use P-States and haven't got around to testing them yet so someone who has would be better off commenting. Dynamic vcore is in with the other voltage options, see post #70.


      Dynamic Vcore is on the main voltages page but is always greyed out and can't be adjusted.

      Zitat von feathers632 im Beitrag #81
      Zitat von ket im Beitrag #80
      Zitat von feathers632 im Beitrag #78
      I flashed the bios mod a few days ago and I've taken a look at the P-state options but can't see any way to get it setup. I found the added options and p-state list but can't see any way of setting up each p-state or setting the vcore offset voltage.


      The P-States are less flexible with these boards, pretty much just select one of the P-State values and the CPU will stick to that preset. I don't use P-States and haven't got around to testing them yet so someone who has would be better off commenting. Dynamic vcore is in with the other voltage options, see post #70.


      That will teach me to follow blindly and not choose my own mobo. This is the first board since my first build in the days of 486dx that I didn't select myself. I got this board because a friend bought one and I had no idea Gigabyte were so pish on execution.

      Do I stick with it or ditch it and buy an Asrock?

      My last PC was i5 2500k and I used offset voltage OC. Expected to do the same with this system!


      Basically any mainboard you buy from any of the other big manufacturers will be superior to the Gigabyte board in almost every way. Asus while good do tend to have a rather high failure rate in my experience while every Asrock board I've had (5 so far) is still functioning perfectly and UEFI support has been top notch for them. I haven't used MSI boards in a while but I do hear they have upped their game significantly as well although their UEFI support is still a bit lacking, nowhere near as bad as Gigabyte though, positively good in fact by comparison. You might also want to check out some of the Biostar boards, I've heard good things about those when it comes to UEFI support. Biostar even delayed the release of their boards because they didn't think memory support was up to snuff. Can't say fairer than that really.

      Regards your offset voltage issue, have you set fixed vcore to "Normal"? The offset option should then become adjustable.

    • ket has written a new post "[OFFER] Gigabyte GA-AX370-Aorus Gaming 5 BIOS mod" 09.19.2017

      Zitat von feathers632 im Beitrag #78
      I flashed the bios mod a few days ago and I've taken a look at the P-state options but can't see any way to get it setup. I found the added options and p-state list but can't see any way of setting up each p-state or setting the vcore offset voltage.


      The P-States are less flexible with these boards, pretty much just select one of the P-State values and the CPU will stick to that preset. I don't use P-States and haven't got around to testing them yet so someone who has would be better off commenting. Dynamic vcore is in with the other voltage options, see post #70.

    • ket has written a new post "[OFFER] Gigabyte GA-AX370-Aorus Gaming 5 BIOS mod" 09.19.2017

      Zitat von varyak im Beitrag #77
      Zitat von ket im Beitrag #75

      Thats rather strange indeed. The audio package uses some elements from the stock Gigabyte driver, a few elements from the stock Realtek driver, and the latest Realtek drivers available from the Update Catalog, the 8245s. You are going to need to do a bit of in depth driver / config cleaning which should hopefully sort things out. Following these steps should have you going again;

      Uninstall Realtek drivers
      Open Device Manager, click "Veiw" > Show hidden devices
      Click "Audio inputs and outputs", remove everything related to the Realtek codec or "HD audio device" codec (just click the device, then click the big red "X" that appears)
      Now click "Sound, video and game controllers", repeat the last step.
      Now install and run Driver Fusion, scoll until you find the Realtek option to clean out all Realtek audio files. Let it do it, restart if prompted
      Now reinstall the 8245s.

      If that doesn't work unplug the jacks and plug them back in to make sure the driver is detecting and assigning things properly. As a last resort (although the other steps should of worked by this point) you can install the Gigabyte driver then manually install the 8245 drivers from device manager.

      DOWNLOAD Driver Fusion



      Doesn't work, it detects everything fine when plugging out and in, but trying to play the test tone fails with "Failed to play test tone". The normal drivers from the Realtek site and from gigabyte work (with the crackling on the front audio). I'm using Windows 10 Pro 1706 x64 btw.


      I experienced this issue as well and thought it was just me. Oddly installing the Gigabyte drivers from the DVD then removing them and installing the 8245s worked if I remember correctly and I haven't seen the problem since. Have you checked the speaker configuration? (Sound window > "Playback" tab > bottom of that tab "configure") I'll try to remember the exact steps I took when resolving this issue but if my faulting memory is correct at this stage a good cleanup and double checking of various sound related properties had everything sorted out.

    • ket has written a new post "[OFFER] Gigabyte GA-AX370-Aorus Gaming 5 BIOS mod" 09.19.2017

      Zitat von varyak im Beitrag #74
      Zitat von ket im Beitrag #68
      Zitat von varyak im Beitrag #63
      Ket I tried your custom Realtek Audio driver but it is not working at all for me. It installs fine but it cannot playback any sounds, not even the test sounds. Any idea what might went wrong?
      Do you have any other audip devices attached to the system? If you do you will need to go to the Windows speaker properties and set the Realtek device back to being the default playback device. Also, which modded drivers would they be the 8245s? I'm testing them now and can confirm that they do 100% work so it's likely a similar issue to what I've just mentioned you are having, shouldn't take too much to get to the bottom of the problem ;)


      Hey thanks for your reply. No I don't have any other devices and I checked that the correct audio device is set as default, everything seems fine, no errors during installation, event viewer or whatever, but it's not outputting sound. Some programs are throwing an error and Windows test sound just fails without further details. I used your 8245 from the first page here. Some time ago the Gigabyte Support provided me with different drivers for that audio crackling issue, that somewhat worked. Would you be interested in them?


      Thats rather strange indeed. The audio package uses some elements from the stock Gigabyte driver, a few elements from the stock Realtek driver, and the latest Realtek drivers available from the Update Catalog, the 8245s. You are going to need to do a bit of in depth driver / config cleaning which should hopefully sort things out. Following these steps should have you going again;

      Uninstall Realtek drivers
      Open Device Manager, click "Veiw" > Show hidden devices
      Click "Audio inputs and outputs", remove everything related to the Realtek codec or "HD audio device" codec (just click the device, then click the big red "X" that appears)
      Now click "Sound, video and game controllers", repeat the last step.
      Now install and run Driver Fusion, scoll until you find the Realtek option to clean out all Realtek audio files. Let it do it, restart if prompted
      Now reinstall the 8245s.

      If that doesn't work unplug the jacks and plug them back in to make sure the driver is detecting and assigning things properly. As a last resort (although the other steps should of worked by this point) you can install the Gigabyte driver then manually install the 8245 drivers from device manager.

      DOWNLOAD Driver Fusion

    • ket has written a new post "[OFFER] Gigabyte GA-AX370-Aorus Gaming 5 BIOS mod" 09.18.2017

      Zitat von PickMeNow im Beitrag #72
      I found out why I was having trouble putting 'Normal', 'High' etc... I was typing 'normal' and 'high' without the first letter in Upper case, when I put the upper case it applied 'Normal' and 'High'. It is so weird not having a window pop up with all the possibilities, for some other options in BIOS a windows pop ups :x

      Again ket, thanks very much for providing the voltage settings pic, I am currently using them and they seem really stable :D (way less dangerous than the Auto settings reaching sometimes 1.525 :| )


      Ah that explains a lot then, some boards are indeed case sensitive when using the key in method. most of the time I just use the "+" or "-" signs on the number pad. Has anyone had chance to test the unlocked options out further yet? Feedback on them would be very helpful :)

    • ket has written a new post "[OFFER] Gigabyte GA-AX370-Aorus Gaming 5 BIOS mod" 09.17.2017

      Zitat von PickMeNow im Beitrag #69
      Ok it seems Gigabyte adopts > Auto, Normal, Standard, Low, Medium, High, Turbo, and Extreme as settings, but for some reason I can't set up most of them. Like I am pretty sure I am using a AX370 Gaming 5 board , and I am yet to see a 'Normal' setting in bios :x

      The manual also doesn't help, it only says Default : (Auto). Is there an extended manual I haven't received?? I have yet to understand the difference between normal/standard/medium ???


      Check the board itself, printed on the board will be the exact model you have. If some options are not showing for your board that should be try doing a full CMOS reset by removing the battery and pulling the power cord, press the power button 2-3 times then leave for 30 seconds.

    • ket has written a new post "[OFFER] Gigabyte GA-AX370-Aorus Gaming 5 BIOS mod" 09.17.2017

      Zitat von ket im Beitrag #66
      Zitat von Khaela im Beitrag #62
      Zitat von PickMeNow im Beitrag #61
      I also can't select "Normal" there are some with "Standard" but I only found 2.
      Ket if it's not much to ask can you provide a profile with what you believe is the most acceptable settings? *Not dangerous auto settings* for simple n00bs like me :p
      +1 😅
      Zitat von PickMeNow im Beitrag #61
      I also can't select "Normal" there are some with "Standard" but I only found 2.
      Ket if it's not much to ask can you provide a profile with what you believe is the most acceptable settings? *Not dangerous auto settings* for simple n00bs like me :p
      I'll get a screenshot of what the Gaming 5 voltage page a bit later guys, if you have a different board to the Gaming 5 the option might be "Standard" although I don't know why Gigabyte would change the naming to "Normal" on the Gaming 5.. probably just incompetence on their part. So stay tuned, I'll get back to you both ;)
      Here you go guys this is from the Gaming 5. As for "safe" voltages try these;

      Vcore / Dynamic vcore 1.35v
      SoC 1.0 -1.1v
      DRAM Termination 0.6v - 0.7v

      Other voltages set to "Normal" to prevent irresponsible voltage levels being thrown around.

    • ket has written a new post "[OFFER] Gigabyte GA-AX370-Aorus Gaming 5 BIOS mod" 09.15.2017

      Zitat von varyak im Beitrag #63
      Ket I tried your custom Realtek Audio driver but it is not working at all for me. It installs fine but it cannot playback any sounds, not even the test sounds. Any idea what might went wrong?
      Do you have any other audip devices attached to the system? If you do you will need to go to the Windows speaker properties and set the Realtek device back to being the default playback device. Also, which modded drivers would they be the 8245s? I'm testing them now and can confirm that they do 100% work so it's likely a similar issue to what I've just mentioned you are having, shouldn't take too much to get to the bottom of the problem ;)

    • ket has written a new post "[OFFER] Gigabyte GA-AX370-Aorus Gaming 5 BIOS mod" 09.15.2017

      Zitat von Spitfire im Beitrag #65
      Zitat von ket im Beitrag #34
      Zitat von TiVoGlObE im Beitrag #32
      Hello ket

      I think you have been checking out the wrong mobo. Below is the link to the official bios page with F8 bios for the said mobo.

      http://www.gigabyte.in/Motherboard/GA-AB...v-10#support-dl

      Additionally, the latest beta bios is F9a, I got it from the support team.
      https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7zodhv...nlzVGtCY2s/view

      I found absolutely no difference from what I saw. But maybe things have been changed(microcode updates or i dunno) feel free to check it. This should benefit a lot of users like me . Thanks a lot for your time and dedication to this in advance. :)


      Nope, I was looking at the right board the Gigabyte site I was on (uk) just doesn't list the F8 UEFI for the Gaming 3. I'll check the UEFI out and see if there is anything worth unlocking and tweaking.


      Zitat von Spitfire im Beitrag #33
      Hello ket,

      thank you for your great work.
      I'm trying your modded bios but I've found an issue with the cpu fans: I've a Noctua NH-D15 with 2 fans and if I set the fan profile on "manual" the system changes the speed of only one fan, while the other remains at full speed.

      I've a request too: could you verify if it's possible to modify the behaviour of the integer multipliers x.00 manteining the power saving on? Now if we use an integer multiplier the cpu frequency stay fixed to the maximum.

      Thank you.


      1. Do both fans support speed adjustment? If so try the fan that is working properly it will rule out if the problem is with one of your fans or the UEFI. By the sounds of it thats a vanilla UEFI bug.
      2. I'll look at that, but it sounds like a vanilla UEFI bug as well. No changes I've made would prevent the CPU from throttling down when setting a custom boost multiplier.


      1. Yes, both fans has PWM. I solved using an y-cable. ;)
      2. thank you. Gigabyte support told me that this is a behaviour described into the last agesa rules, but I've started to see it on the F5 bios (on F4, integer mulplier works fine) and I don't know if other brands have this kind of issue.


      I would have to check that with one of my other X370 test boards but thats not something I'm likely to get chance to do for a couple weeks. I will say however that I have not seen anyone using boards from any other manufacturer complaining of integer multiplier adjustments causing a fixed state CPU speed.


      Zitat von Techi im Beitrag #64
      I just registered to say thank you, ket. Good job, appreciate the work.

      I've been waiting for Gigabyte to enable P-states for ages, now I can finally start looking into how those work. It's just an additional plus to be able to disable stuff like spread spectrum. As this thread "got publicity" through the Gigabyte US AM4 bios thread and at least one /r/AMD post - and people weren't shouting about this killing their boards - I decided to try the F7aR1 for my K7. Works fine with no unnecessary overvolting detected, although I almost got a heart attack when the default fan speed was set to max ("Oh no, now it's feeding 12V straight into the core and it's going to melt, aaaahhhh"). At least that was quickly fixed.

      I have mixed feelings about the board. I like Gigabyte's past designs (not the dumb Aorus gaming branding though), the board looks nice, it has useful stuff like the dual BIOS/post code display/on-board buttons, plus at first they were really pushing the updates and Gigabyte_Matt seemed really helpful on the US boards. I watched Buildzoid's VRM overview video and thought "well, that looks like a solid choice for me" as it was cheaper than the C6H and I didn't want to potentially deal with the ASUS support that has plenty of horror stories around. There has been plenty of stuff to dislike though. UEFI updates have been slow and sloppy (overvolting), there's no support around (Matt's been helpful on the US forums but pretty inactive after the launch months, ASUS has people like elmor and Raja being active so you can do better Gigabyte), the IO shroud is stupidly restrictive design and the CPU VRM heatsink is just plain retarded.

      You've already discussed the VRM/heatsink in this thread. It's probably just fine for normal usage and the components are efficient and can take the standard temperatures fine, but.. it's a top-of-the-line board. The heatsink has been a lazy "copypaste" from previous Intel board designs. It even has the heatpipe slot still there so why didn't they bother to redesign it a bit to fit it in, given that you're supposed to overclock 8C chips on the AM4 platform? I've thought about getting a DIY heatpipe kit from Ebay to mod it, but I guess changing the stands and the thermal pad works too. I do have some 6W/mK Arctic thermal pads, but I think I'd want to see a guide before I get that adventurous myself.

      Then there are the combined problems of voltages, Vdroop and LLC. It's been hard to trust voltages claimed by others (different boards/sensors/programs/concepts of stability) when overclocking my 1700. I've been watching HWiNFO64's CPU Core Voltage (SVI2 TFN) and Vcore values. I don't have a DMM nor the understanding/confidence what to probe beneath the socket. Has anyone tried to measure how far off those values really are? I guess it's somewhere in between those based on the forum threads I've found. There's the crazy Vdroop that has been mentioned as well. It feels wrong to see minimum voltages at heavy synthetic loads hitting around 0,1V less than what offset voltage I've set in the UEFI. I'll add an example screenshot later in the post. Ah yes, not to forget ranting about LLC. Who designed those settings, really? Auto, Normal, Standard, Low, Medium, High, Turbo, Extreme. As far as I know based on my early testing, Auto=Normal=Standard=Medium. All had the same Vdroop when looking at Vmin for the SVI2 TFN measurement at max synthetic loads. I'm using LLC High now, because I don't trust the highest settings at all (potential voltage overshoot problems with LLC exist).

      Here's a screenshot with the HWiNFO64 measurements for an hour of OCCT load - five minutes of warming up until starting logging (it's been stable for four more hours with that load at those settings during my earlier testing). Especially to show (that the BIOS works and) the minimum and average voltages (SVI2 TFN, Vcore) and the VRM MOS temperatures. Initial 4GHz testing with this setup (no case airflow to help) had me hitting 98°C VRM temps quickly, so yeah, back to 3900MHz - and even now, with heeeaavy RAM tweaking (seems like it needs more Vcore too, not only DRAM or SOC voltage) and wanting stability with even synthetic loads it needs quite a bit of voltage and I have to decide whether I want to go down to 3,85GHz or not after I get my case modded and finished. That said, Noctua NH-D15 with Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra seems to work generally just fine.



      At least tinkering with this stuff is quite fun, even though trying to find true stability is frustrating. Voltages aren't final, I still have to determine whether I can get by with a lower SOC/DRAM voltage and retain stability. Last time I checked these RAM settings went past 50000% in HCI memtest (16 windows at 900MB each, every single thread was over 50k free of errors) until the display driver had crashed, monitor remained black and I had to reboot. Sounds relatively stable to me - yay for B-die. Tweaking RAM so you can get greedy tight timings yet retain stability is a massive pain.

      After that ranting, some open questions: does anybody have experience how P-state overclocking works on these boards? Based on what I know about the procedure, you have to only change the P0 frequency and separately use offset voltage, is it still true? What if you want to leave P0 like that but change P1 frequency to 3500Mhz - how can you edit the P1 voltage then or is it even possible? I'm curious, even though the potential benefits for all that fine-tuning beyond setting P0 would be minimal. I need to get myself an electricity usage monitor so I can get some measurements how much juice this setup draws with an offset OC and P-states.


      I discovered with Gigabyte they are all seemingly willing to do what needs to be done but once you actually have something of theirs they just could not barely give a single shit, doing the absolute bare metal minimum and even then still not addressing some issues they should. Voltage stability as you say is horrendous on these boards. Even if they were B350 level I'd consider the voltage stability iffy but acceptable as it would be a lower tier board but for a X370 class board the voltage stability is completely unacceptable. The least Gigabyte could do is make a good UEFI to make it less of an issue but they aren't even doing that right now. Who knows, with what I'm doing seemingly gaining traction maybe Gigabyte will pull their collective thumb out of their arse and get to work. Sitting here measuring the Gaming 5 VRM temps with the mods I made for proper heatsink contact and thermal transfer with a DT8380 temp gun the readings I get are 65.6c for the side and 63.5 for the top. Thats with 1.35v (actual 1.33v-1.39v.. because crappy VRMs) with a R7 1700 at 3.85GHz currently running BOINC, seti@home project all cores and threads @ 100% load. Do bare in mind those temps have been taken with my case relatively in pieces atm where I'm in "hardware mode" so you should add a good 10c to those temps by the time the case is all back together. Still a very healthy improvement over that 98c though! (How are your VRMs not melting crap VRMs have a max temp of 110c, average VRMs around 125c, and super top tier VRMs (which we all know the Aorus boards definitely don't have) 150c or so) No arguments on the copy/paste nature of the VRM heatsinks either, they are bad. The least Gigabyte should of been doing with relatively tiny heatsinks like this is adding a heatpipe to help spread thermal load. I wouldn't go to the extent of adding a DIY heatpipe though, the board just isn't worth THAT much trouble. In terms of voltage readings I've always found CPU-Z readings to be only 1% or so off of any hardware readings so its a good yardstick for everyone to measure by.

      I'll also add that if Gigabyte want to open dialog with me, and actually listen to me this time, the Aorus UEFI can at least be sorted out to a degree that will satisfy everyone. I'll also say again that people should submit support tickets left and right hassling Gigabyte and any confirmed UEFI bugs they are experiencing and hassle them about putting features in the UEFI that it should already have as every other manufacturer is doing so, so why aren't Gigabyte? The more they are hassled by people, the more they will actually do something about it.

      If you want to contine this chat Techi feel free to shoot me some PMs and I'll provide answers and opinions on whatever I can as it looks like basically everybody who has any flavour of an Aorus board is not happy with it, and I don't blame them.

    • ket has written a new post "[OFFER] Gigabyte GA-AX370-Aorus Gaming 5 BIOS mod" 09.15.2017

      Zitat von Khaela im Beitrag #62
      Zitat von PickMeNow im Beitrag #61
      I also can't select "Normal" there are some with "Standard" but I only found 2.

      Ket if it's not much to ask can you provide a profile with what you believe is the most acceptable settings? *Not dangerous auto settings* for simple n00bs like me :p


      +1
      😅


      Zitat von PickMeNow im Beitrag #61
      I also can't select "Normal" there are some with "Standard" but I only found 2.

      Ket if it's not much to ask can you provide a profile with what you believe is the most acceptable settings? *Not dangerous auto settings* for simple n00bs like me :p


      I'll get a screenshot of what the Gaming 5 voltage page a bit later guys, if you have a different board to the Gaming 5 the option might be "Standard" although I don't know why Gigabyte would change the naming to "Normal" on the Gaming 5.. probably just incompetence on their part. So stay tuned, I'll get back to you both ;)

    • ket has written a new post "[OFFER] Gigabyte GA-AX370-Aorus Gaming 5 BIOS mod" 09.14.2017

      No, as you cycle through the voltage options there is one that is literally called "Normal", select that and it'll stop silly voltages being applied when overclocking ;)

    • ket has written a new post "[OFFER] Gigabyte GA-AX370-Aorus Gaming 5 BIOS mod" 09.14.2017

      Zitat von Feinyr im Beitrag #57
      Hey ket, thanks for fixing Gigabyte's bios, since I couldn't download the regular one from the Gigabyte website, I tried to give yours a shot. Flashing went well and I am getting some nice results already, but my system does not let me restart normally anymore. Either after "Save and Exit" in the bios or Windows restart option, I have to use the restart button at my case to resolve a state of a reboot not resolving. Any ideas for troubleshooting?


      I have not had those issues at all but heres some things you can look in to; My first thought is to do a full CMOS reset by removing the power cord and battery, pressing the power button 2-3 times, waiting 30 seconds then seeing how things go. I'd also check the Windows logs as its also very possible there is a process taking its sweet time ending when trying to restart or shut down, you might also have a SATA related sleep issue which can exhibit such behaviour as the system being very sluggish and slow to respond. I know its affecting some users on some boards from various manufacturers I'll be unhiding this option in the future to help out any users that may be suffering the SATA sleep issue. Lastly you could also try switching your boot drive so its on SATA 1 and doing the usual tuneup duties such as cleaning up junk and temp files, deleting old restore points, registry cleanup and doing a HDD defrag.


      Zitat von orondf343 im Beitrag #55
      After trying to OC more and running into problems I now wish I had gotten a different board. (but I didn't and still don't have much of a choice, and the only importer of Asrock boards here is an "Intel Technology Partner" and most stores don't even sell the Intel ones. I originally wanted the Taichi...)
      Vdroop is INSANE. At LLC Auto it's at least 0.08v, and no matter what I set the LLC to there is a difference of 0.08v between motherboard and CPU measured (SVI2 TFN) voltage at load. Even LLC Turbo does not eliminate Vdroop between idle and load (still >0.01v). One thing to note though is that the voltage measured by the CPU is stable at a consistent load. I think it could be that the board itself was not designed for high current draw, or maybe the socket might be the culprit?

      My CPU (1700) reports that it draws 85w at stock(!) settings in a stress test, which is far from the 65w rating of it. Not sure who's fault this is (CPU, sensors, VRMs - help appreciated) or if it was the reason why the Wraith Spire was insufficient (81C in stress test) for me at 3.475GHz auto voltage (reported 125w in a stress test). Now that I have upgraded my cooling I am trying to OC higher, but the Vdroop issue is very limiting.
      Another issue I found is that the glue holding the backplate to the board is bad, and has completely evaporated from the heat. The VRM cooling is terrible.
      At least I am able to get relatively good memory speeds with my 2x16GB dual-ranked Hynix memory, but I only need 1.0v SoC, not 1.2+!

      The UEFI is trash, and I have mentioned the unfixed bugs plenty of times, but the "new" UI seems to be infecting their Intel boards as well! My brother has a B150M-D3H (IIRC) recieved a recent UEFI update replaced the previous clean high-resolution UI with the same clunky tile-based UI we have on AM4!


      First thing to do is set any voltages you are not adjusting to the "Normal" value. The "Auto" setting throws a stupid amount of volts around. To help with voltage stability set LLC to "High". The reason for the very poor voltage stability is due to the VRMs, the CPU stage does not have enough of them and they are not particularly good quality. The best I've been able to find out as there is no real details available for them is that they are probably only capable of 240A. If you are going to have as few VRMs as some (all?) of these Aorus boards do you need to make sure the VRMs are good quality or add a few more VRMs. As far as the Gaming 5 goes Gigabyte have stuck a X370 chipset on a B350 board. In other words the board would be considered good if it had a B350 chipset on it instead and a lower price, but it doesn't.



      Zitat von varyak im Beitrag #56
      Hi ket,
      you seem very knowledgeable and as an early adopter I'm like many other people now stuck with the somewhat pathetic Gaming 5. Still have to try your modded BIOS when I find the time, but it looks promising.

      Do you have any general recommendations for settings, especially voltages, as it seems the "optimized defaults" seem to suck. Of course only if it's not too much trouble. And is p-state overclocking working stable?

      You also mentioned you replaced the standoffs of the VRM Heatsink for better contact, can you maybe link which ones you used? Don't have spare money to buy a new board, but I would be able to spend a few moneys to make it suck less.

      Thanks.


      As I mentioned to orondf, set the voltages to the "Normal" value that you aren't adjusting that will stop the board from throwing silly amounts of voltage around. As for the rubber standoffs I couldn't point you to which they are as I already had them in my box of tricks. I do remember they are about 5mm tall though which when tightened down on to the board compress to about 3mm. I'd also advise getting some good thermal pad strips, I use LAIRD 6W/m-K which is what NASA used to use on the space shuttle. If nothing else fixing the really rather poor contact the VRMs have with the heatsinks will allow for much better heat transfer which should help with stability to some degree at higher voltages / temps / load conditions. I'd also leave the part of the plastic shroud off that covers the VRM heatsink its only impeding airflow and thus doing nothing but helping to trap heat. Its not necessary but while you are at it you might want to remove the SB heatsink and replace the pad with some Thermal Grizzly paste to finish things off.

    • ket has written a new post "[OFFER] Gigabyte GA-AX370-Aorus Gaming 5 BIOS mod" 09.13.2017

      @Radical Vision:

      This is the one and only post I will make of this nature, any more I'll simply ask Fernando to delete them as this is not what this thread is for.

      1. I just made a recommendation. Nowhere have I said Asus make bad boards. Asrock used to be a subsidiary of Asus in fact until they too wanted to get in on the high end mainboard game.

      2. Bad experiences happen, but a single bad experience is certainly not enough to write anything off. Its ironic you call me a fanboy just because I recommended some Asrock boards when you come in to this thread acting like nothing but an Asrock hater repeatedly referring to them as "Ass-rock". That alone almost made me completely ignore your post.

      3. I wonder what relevence you think old Gigabyte boards or any other of that old hardware you bring up have on what the current Gigabyte boards are like. Simply put: none. In my 22 years of IT I've purchased and recommended mainboards from countless brands including DFI, Asus, Asrock, MSI, Gigabyte, Abit, and some others but I forget who they were now. In that time the only boards that died on me were Asus boards, so you see history is absolutely no indication of how reliable or good current mainboards are. Just because a manufacturer was good in the past does not mean it is still a good manufacturer. To that end the Gigabyte of old is not the Gigabyte of present, Asus, Asrock, even MSI, are all preferable now. Gigabyte are coasting on the reputation of how good they used to be and now are arrogant enough to still believe they are the greatest when they are far from it. You seem to be very touchy about Gigabyte as well, making you appear to be the fanboy.

      4. Gigabyte Aorus boards are lacking features in the UEFI every other manufacturer has as standard, would you or would you not agree that that is unacceptable? Releasing a UEFI that volts the CPU to death is also sloppy Quality Control, further proof Gigabyte are half-arsing things. Also saying "they will fix it at some point" is hardly a glowing recommendation that will put beliefe in people is it? So, while manufacturers like Asus, MSI, and Asrock are all busily fixing and improving their boards with UEFI updates it's ok to buy a Gigabyte board because they might at some point fix all the bugs and issues their boards have. Right. OK then.

      Let's not mention numerous other issues that should be resolved by now in a UEFI update yet still are not. There is already plenty of proof to show the inferior choice of components Gigabyte use particularly when it comes to VRM quality, and make no mistake, that is one of the biggest things Gigabyte are being critisised of here along with the quality of the UEFI, the VRMs quality.

      5. Who cares about what the packaging looks like as long as the product itself is well protected? I also have several other X370 boards here which cost the same or less as the Gaming 5 that have much superior VRMs and voltage stability but also their respective UEFIs are far more feature rich, far less buggy, and not clunky as all hell to navigate compared to the Gigabyte UEFI.

      Right, I think that covers everything your post was kind of hard to follow as it wasn't well structured. I find any such delusional "loyalty" completely pointless. I am a man of facts, something is either good, or its not. The AM4 Gigabyte boards are not, but they could be if Gigabyte took their collective thumb out of their arse and paid the boards the attention they need.

      EDIT by Fernando: Unneeded fully quoted post replaced by directly addressing to the author (to save space)

    • ket has written a new post "[OFFER] Gigabyte GA-AX370-Aorus Gaming 5 BIOS mod" 09.13.2017

      The poor voltage regulation is just down to bad engineering and / or bad choice of physical components. Gigabyte need to forget about such things as the shitty LED lights and dual audio codecs and put that money in to putting better VRMs on the board and developing a UEFI thats actually functional. I mean for christ sake releasing a UEFI that volts a CPU to death is just absolutely piss-poor QC and completely inexcusable. As is external USB HDDs constantly disconnecting when in use and connected to front USB ports. Don't even get me started on how barren the UEFI is lacking basic functionality and options every other manufacturer has...

      Regards VRM temp, to truly test them out download and run BOINC, one of their projects like SETI is excellent as a CPU stability test, which in turn makes it excellent at heating up the VRMs to see how they truly handle a high load.

    • ket has written a new post "[OFFER] Gigabyte GA-AX370-Aorus Gaming 5 BIOS mod" 09.13.2017

      Zitat von PickMeNow im Beitrag #49
      Ket thanks for your answer, I read your old review, if I had read it before I wouldn't have bought G5.
      BTW any board you recommend on B350 and X370????

      I might buy something better in the future and I would like to have your opinion.


      Honestly, Asrock make excellent boards. Their Gaming X or Killer SLI are excellent choices. The latter particularly if you don't mind losing a few more minor features but gaining what the X370 chipset offers over the B350 at a similar price to a lot of B350 boards. I've not used any B350 boards (yet anyway) but again I'd say go Asrock, the AB350 Gaming K4 is the best I've seen in terms of VRMs. I'd wager the AB350 K4 is better than any of the Gigabyte AM4 boards. Asrock also support their boards superbly, better than any other manufacturer IMO and I'll even stick my reputation on the line when saying that.


      Zitat von gaz im Beitrag #46
      Is there a way to flash these bios under linux? I see it is a .exe file so I can't run it normally.
      Another question, how do I know there isn't any other hidden things in the bios, security is a big concern for a lot of members in my community.



      You can flash the UEFI by making a bootable USB stick with Rufus or any other utility that allows you to make a bootable device with anything like FreeDOS. Regards your second question which is rather an odd one, all I can say is that the UEFIs are no less secure than the stock versions and I'll do my upmost to ensure any UEFI I mod does not brick the board it is going on to. I'm a perfectionist and do not like even the smallest of errors.


      Zitat von CoUsT im Beitrag #48
      Zitat von ket im Beitrag #41
      Hah! I doubt that would be said if they read the first post here. Gigabyte are slacking, and lazy, compared to the competition. It's that simple. I use an Asrock X370 Gaming K4 that absolutely blows the Gigabyte boards out of the water in both the quality of the UEFI and choice of hardware components the board uses. An example; the Aorus Gaming 5 test board I have to set 1.35v for the CPU to have it stable @ 3.82GHz and the voltage bounces arounnd all over the place ranging from 1.33v - 1.39v. The K4 on the other hand for 3.82GHz I set 1.32v and I actually get 1.32v and it is rock solid.

      Gigabyte are utterly failing. They can't even get the "Auto" voltage settings right. Just look at the SOC voltage, if left on "Auto" when overclocking it will skyrocket to 1.25v! That is absolutely not necessary, 1.1v is more than enough. If you want you can also tell Gigabyte I expect something from them for my time doing what they can't be bothered to do.


      Hello there. Because it seems like you have decent knowledge about MoBo and BIOSes, I would like to ask for your opinion.

      I posted one issue on Gigabyte forum twice and contacted Gigabyte support once about this but can you please take look at this and tell me what you think about this?

      Here is the link to my Gigabyte forum post:

      http://forum.gigabyte.us/thread/1542/ori...;scrollTo=11360

      Basically, what you said is true. Voltage is fine during idle - I set 1.125V with 3.52 GHz and its great. I run stress test and voltage drops hard to 1.075V on LLC Auto. That's 0.05V vdroop! LLC Auto is somewhere between Normal and High. After setting it to High I'm getting about 0.04V vdroop, from 1.125V to about 1.087V. Changing LLC to Turbo (one step higher from High) helped with voltage a lot - I had only 0.02V vdroop but it was overvolting a little bit sometimes up to 1.144V for a split second when going from full load to idle. Not that bad considering better stability and possibility to drop voltage down in idle/low load.

      And here is where the problems start. For some reason after cold boot I got 1.188V once instead of the one that I set (about 0.05V higher). Changing voltage down by 2 steps, rebooting and up by 2 steps fixed it and it was back where it was before. Another issue is sensors going crazy, voltage going up to 2.744V or power usage up to 600W for a split second. Weird. Broken sensors? Or... LLC not working correctly, providing too high voltage/amps to the CPU for a split second?







      During tests it occured when I was @ 1.144V and 3.6 GHz with LLC Turbo and @ 1.3V and 3.8 GHz with LLC Turbo. I tried to stabilize 3.8 GHz as best as possible and started tuning LLC. LLC Auto would give me huuuge about 0.07V vdroop. That's 1.3V -> 1.23V. LLC Turbo helped but these weird issues started happening (mostly during gaming or medum usage).

      The only sensor that picked this up is the main Ryzen 1700 sensor. MoBo didn't pick it up, VRM sensors didn't pick it up. Perhaps an issue directly between VRM and CPU itself (so most likely LLC)?

      Changing LLC down from Turbo to High got rid of all these issues with wrong voltage + weird sensor readings so I'm almost sure LLC Turbo is the culprit here.

      Do you think it is because of not the best VRM or BIOS/LLC issue? Is there anything that you can suggest or do with this?


      I'd start by setting every voltage you aren't adjusting to the "Normal" value. The boards throw an insane amount of voltage at components otherwise when you start overclocking. I don't know if it would help with voltage stability that much but when I took the VRM heatsinks off the Gaming 5 I reviewed I saw that the heatsinks made extremely poor contact with the VRMs, something which I naturally promptly corrected as I didn't want anything melting on the board under high load tests and killing my other hardware. When I corrected the poor contact problem I replaced the plastic standoffs with slitly lower rubber ones and replaced the thermal pads with Laird 6W/mk pads, the very same NASA used to use on the space shuttle. The most stable LLC setting I found was "High", it still wasn't perfect but it kept the voltage stable at the baseline that was needed for 3.82GHz. I wasn't impressed by the voltage bouncing all the way up to 1.39v though. Put bluntly, the VRMs on the Aorus Gaming 5 at least are crap. The kind of voltage stability I saw I would expect to see on a cheaper A320 or B350 board, not an X370. I would say Gigabyte should be ashamed of themselves... but well, look of the state of the UEFI for these boards Gigabyte positively revel in the same company as the word "poor". I wouldn't value Gigabytes boards at anything more than the cost of the box they arrive in, they are junk that looks pretty with their flashing lights and nothing more.

    • ket has written a new post "[OFFER] Gigabyte GA-AX370-Aorus Gaming 5 BIOS mod" 09.13.2017

      First post now updated with the rest of the modded UEFIs

      I might cut back on the amount of UEFIs I mod it depends which ones seems to be popular and which ones aren't.

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